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In an exclusive interview with Dmitry Gordon, Sergei Mikhailovich told how he met Lyudmila Gurchenko, about the filming of their first joint film "Sekskazka", that in everyday life and in relationships with loved ones, Lyudmila Markovna was an impractical person and really needed support, which despite for a 25-year age difference, he never felt like a boy next to her.

Sixth ... This is not the name of another adventure film, but the number on the list of the husbands of the Soviet movie star Lyudmila Gurchenko, who fell to the lot of film producer Sergei Senin. The well-wishers tried somehow to hurt him, to prick him, to kindle male jealousy in him: they say, not the first, but their attempts were shattered by his equanimity. Sergei Mikhailovich knows: yes, the brilliant actress fell passionately in love and cooled off sharply, yes, she changed men, but only because all her life she was looking for someone she could rely on, whom she could trust to the end ...

Searched and finally found. Look at their joint pictures, where the actress clung to him with a thin exotic liana, deliberately overweight, firmly standing on the ground - these photos are more eloquent than any words, so Senin became her sixth and last husband: they lived together for 19 years.

Sergei Mikhailovich flourishes, talking about his Lucy, and extremely reluctantly, through force, speaks about himself. The roles have long and forever been distributed: she is a diamond, he is the one who provides her with a luxurious frame and favorable lighting. By the way, before meeting with Gurchenko, Senin was very successful. Schools, ordinary and musical, he graduated with honors, institute - with honors. In graduate school, he was promised a doctoral dissertation and a professorship, but “the pen ran out of ink” - and Sergei betrayed a respectable scientific career with windy cinematography.

The very first film produced by him together with a friend, “The Yiddish-Speaking Parrot” (after that, the scriptwriter and director Ephraim Savela referred to it as “Odessa booze”) created Senin’s name and brought financial success. Just imagine what business acumen you need to have in order, for example, working with the Poles, for a bottle to organize the departure of the protagonist in "The Seagull" from the Spassky Gates of the Kremlin! It seemed that nothing was impossible for him ...

When Sergei Mikhailovich married an actress who was a quarter of a century older, they tried to present him as a gigolo, a swindler, a swindler - the "well-wishers" had no other explanations for their unequal marriage ... after her death, he did not condescend, so the vigilant public is not aware of how in 1993, when inflation was going through the roof, and the future seemed unsteady and unpredictable, Se-nin persuaded his studio accountant to take out a loan of 100 thousand dollars and made the first TV movie, proposed - then still for him - by Lyudmila Markovna. As after the beginning of their life together, the actress showed a skinny stack of dollars on the closet shelf - all her savings, the amount of which is even embarrassing to name. In the end, she was not for him - he gave her a Volvo for the last anniversary, which later passed as an inheritance to Gurchenko's daughter Maria.

Lyudmila Markovna herself got it from the gossips: there were rumors that she had taken her young husband away from the family, that for her sake Sergey had left his wife Galina with a small child in Odessa. An innate sense of nobility did not allow Senin to spread about how Galya once told him: “Tomorrow we are leaving for Israel - if you want, come with us.” Documents for her, her parents and daughter Arina were already ready, everything was decided - Sergei was simply put before a fact. Before deciding to divorce, he experienced more than one "setup" in the same spirit - fate, with an invisible hand, led him to the main meeting of life.

The scandal over the inheritance of Lyudmila Markovna, which gossip lovers were already looking forward to, went out before it had time to flare up. Only Sergei Mikhailovich knows what diplomatic efforts it cost him, but Lucy would certainly approve of him, and her daughter eventually realized that her “stepfather”, in fact, did not need anything acquired - well, except for a ring with a white sapphire gold, once brought to him by Gurchenko from New York: with him, wedding and engagement, Senin never parted ...

Seven years have passed since Lucy left, but no one calls him a widower - only a husband. During this time, he managed a lot: he erected a monument, opened a memorial plaque on the house where Lyudmila Markovna lived for the last 10 years, all by himself, without turning to anyone for financial help! Today, Sergei Mikhailovich lives with two dogs in a house that he rents outside the city, and in their luxurious apartment near the Patriarch's Ponds there is a Museum-Mas-ter-Sky, where the folk trail does not overgrow.

Well, the last. Shortly before this interview, the only daughter of Lyudmila Gurchenko died. Maria had a very strained relationship with her mother, but Senin agreed without hesitation to be buried next to the actress on Novodeva-vi-ch-em. He never managed to reconcile mother and daughter during his lifetime, but he tried to do it after their death.

“When Gurchenko sang: “Sleep, the night in July is only six hours,” my indignation knew no bounds: what kind of Soviet stage is this?”

- Sergey Mikhailovich, you were born, as far as I know, on the Black Sea coast, in Odessa ...

- I lived in this city most of my life, but I was born in the Urals, in Bashkiria. The fate of my parents brought me there according to the institute distribution, I happened there, and then our family - I was a child then - returned home ...

- Odessa - is it love for life?

- For the whole.

— Do you often come there today?

- My parents often visit there - thank God they are alive, they live in Germany, well, I also visit.

— Odessa has changed a lot since your youth?

- She has become completely different - it seems to me, she has become prettier, and when I arrive there and look around, a feeling of pride seizes me. If I have friends or relatives next to me who have been absent there for a long time (well, let's say, a daughter who has not been in Odessa for more than 20 years), I see that their eyes light up with admiration. Of course, I am pleased, but the people there are already different. Many have left, there are no neighbors, friends of youth - those who created a special Odessa flavor. Now you are visiting your native, but not very familiar city.

- The scenery is the same, but the artists are a little different ...

- Somewhere the scenery has already changed, because in Odessa, in my opinion, a lot of wonderful things have been done, especially under the beloved mayor Hurwitz, although, in principle, you are right: the scenery is the same, the sea, in any case, the Black Sea .. .

- You graduated from the Odessa Civil Engineering Institute, and in what specialty?

- It was difficult to call it: a design engineer in industrial and civil construction.

— PGS...

- CPSU - still the letter "k": this faculty, when I entered, was only created and differed from PGS (that one existed separately) with a slightly greater bias in design.

- Do you remember something from the institute program?

- Nothing, and although he also graduated from graduate school, all this seemed to have remained in another life.

- For many years you were the husband of Lyudmila Markovna Gurchenko - an outstanding Soviet film and theater actress, musical star, a wonderful woman, a unique personality, and when you first learned about her, heard about her, remember?

- I remember the very first, perhaps, recognizing her as a person. 1978, in my opinion, was going on - before that, one might say, I didn’t know such an actress, I wasn’t particularly interested in her work, and suddenly, when I was watching TV, some artist appeared on the screen and, as it seemed to me, for no apparent reason, I sang the song of my beloved group “Flowers” ​​at that time: “Sleep, the night in July is only six hours.” My indignation knew no bounds: what kind of Soviet stage was this? Who let your favorite songs be trashed? At that time, I didn’t really understand what was happening, I took everything with hostility on the move, but when I listened to the end, I was especially struck by the ending (there is a very high note) - I suddenly realized that it was done with talent. I was interested in who this Lyudmila Gurchenko is ...

“But didn’t that last name mean anything to you?”

- Well, maybe I heard her, but outwardly I did not know the actress. "Carnival Night" didn't interest me...

- Passed by?

— Absolutely!

- Where did you live, in what country?

- In the Soviet Union, and then, literally a year later, the magazine "Our Contemporary" with Lyusina's story "My adult childhood" fell into my hands. Mindful of the first emotional blow received from the actress Gurchenko, he took this number with him to the institute. I was a first-year student then, I came to my classes in the Circus Hall (it was so big with us), sat down in the gallery and began to read.

I was so amazed, carried away by the text, that I stayed for the next couples of other faculties and courses - in general, I swallowed it in one gulp, and of course, it struck me ... I can’t even find a word: the story made a tremendous impression on me - sincerity, frankness , and with each line I read, I became more and more convinced that this is a very honest book. After all, the falsehood will still come out, seep through, no matter how beautiful, ornate text of the page you smooth it out.

I can say why my story with Lyusya was happiness for me - because everything I read about in this story, what I then learned and understood, then received one hundred percent confirmation in life next to her. I saw that there was no embellishment in the story told: the person whom I imagined from the book and the one whom I met in reality were absolutely identical - nothing broke.

Did you become her fan then? Would you like to watch her films?

- No, I did not become a fan, but from that day on, everything related to Lucy interested me, and, of course, I reviewed all the films that came out. I remember the shock of “Five Evenings”, “Sibiriada” is generally one of my favorite films, as well as “Twenty Days Without War”, and also “Benefit Performance”, “Songs of War” ...

“Lucy was embarrassed by the distance between our years of birth, never me. I think if Lucy was worried, maybe even suffered, then deep inside, not letting me feel it.

- How did you meet?

- In 1979, as a first-year student, I met Lucy through a book, and already in 1990 (in general, not so many years have passed!) I was already the producer of the film “Sek-Fairy Tale” by Nabokov. For the main role in it, the director of the film - not me, which I regret (it, alas, did not occur to me), - Lucy was invited.

- When you became a producer, did you know that Lyudmila Markovna would act in film?

- Not. This was not my first film, for two years, probably, I was engaged in cinema - my partner and I created our own studio, and now the 90th year, everything just became possible, everything was allowed, and here is this topic: Nabokov, a fairy tale with light erotica - then it was fashionable. Since the classic has a very short history, the screenwriter rewrote it, supplemented it and somehow developed it further - unfortunately, in my opinion, as it turned out later.

At first, the role was tried on by other actresses - there, according to the plot, it was necessary to play the Devil in a female guise, which suits the sexual life and the young man's fantasies (Sergey Zhigunov played his role) satisfies. It didn’t work out with one actress, it didn’t work out with the second, and suddenly Lena Nikolaeva, the director of the picture, came to Odessa and said: “Gurchenko agreed.” Even then I thought: “How did I not think of this before? My favorite actress". Well, it doesn't matter ... So, 11 years after reading a book that was significant for me, which turned a lot of things upside down in me, we met.

Do you remember the moment you met?

— I remember. The picture was filmed in an original way - the Odessa company launched it, the group was mostly Moscow, and we filmed in Vilnius, because at that moment it was the most economically profitable option ... There is a very good studio with qualified workers, but it then it was empty, because Lithuania, as you remember, was the first to leave the Soviet Union and the fermentation had already begun. In general, there was no work, and they were happy to let any groups in, so life in the triangle: Odessa - Moscow - Vilnius was on. I remember my next arrival in Vilnius - I arrived at the pavilion, where the sex scene with Zhigunov was filmed ...

- The midshipman was not shy?

- At first it was a matter, but then, in my opinion, he pulled himself together. No, Sergey got used to it quickly... I went into the pavilion, started looking for the actors with my eyes, and suddenly I saw something like that... Well, just a divine creation of unearthly beauty was sitting there. I understood that this was supposed to be Lucy, but it seems not. Approached: she - not she? It turned out Gurchenko. We had such a fleeting acquaintance: hello, hello, and then she left for the hotel, I presented her with a large bouquet of flowers - that’s, in fact, that’s all ...

For what purpose did you present this bouquet? - tell me honestly...

- Not with any - I just saw the actress for the first time, who so excited me all these years - with her work, with some human qualities that I already understand. The interest was huge!

- The thought of a possible continuation, frankly, flashed?

“Not at all—and there was nothing close.

- What, excuse me, was the age difference between you?

Did these numbers bother you?

- Never me. Lucy was embarrassed by the distance between our years of birth, but it seems to me that we behaved so correctly and in a good way smartly ... As a result, everything somehow smoothed out. Of course, it happened that the difference in life experience manifested itself somewhere, not without it, but none of us got hung up on it. I think if Lucy was worried, maybe even suffered, then deep inside, not letting me feel it.

Have you ever talked about this topic?

- There were, but I always reduced them to a joke, and, in the end, she also began to relate to this with humor.

- Who was wiser - you, despite the fact that you are younger, or she?

- Lucy, in my opinion, is a person of exceptional wisdom. Very impractical in everyday life, in some household chores, in relationships with loved ones, but very wise. I’ll tell you, Dima, like this: we often argued with her, for example, on some occasions ... I’m still a debater - after all, by the sign of the bull, I was always sure: well, let her be 25 years smarter me, but I know for sure that this is so, and not otherwise, nevertheless, a little earlier or a little later, but in 99 percent of cases I understood (and I’m not afraid to admit it!), That she still turned out to be right. A few steps ahead, I saw better - I was wiser.

- When did the turning point occur and the relationship between the fan and the movie star turned into a relationship between a man and a woman?

“You see, I can’t say that today it was like this, and tomorrow everything will be different. Probably, what I’m about to say will seem strange, invented to many, but ... There are several people in this life whose opinion I value, and if they share my point of view, I don’t need anything else. What am I leading to? Lucy, no matter how surprising it may seem to someone, was a person of exceptional modesty, shyness, tact ... So it was - I am responsible for my words, so our romance, firstly, developed for a very long time ...

You talked a lot, didn't you?

- The fact is that while the film "Sek-Fairy Tale" was being shot, we saw each other several times, and although we lived in the same hotel in Vilnius, met at breakfast, all this happened in passing. Together we met Soviet tanks in Lithuania, because just at that time ...

- ... the riot police stormed the TV tower ...

- Yes, we were in Vilnius when these bloody events happened, and in the morning a terrible moral situation arose, because the people in the group were friends yesterday, they were close and did not look for souls in each other, and today the Lithuanians looked at us reproachfully : "Well, what are you guys?". There were more than a dozen dead there, and by the way, Lucy is one of those who understood what needs to be done: we quietly, calmly made a decision and, in this sense, completely took the side of the Lithuanians, we came to the memorial service. In general, this story united us even more with them - it happened, and then the premiere of the picture was ...

Actually, work on the film ended, and the thread between us broke. Lusya was married at that moment, I was still married when “Sekskazka” was just starting, so there was no flirting, no romantic relationships, and the one who knew Lyudmila Markovna well understands: this, as Lusya said, is impossible - if she is married , it's impossible.

- She told me that she never cheated on her husbands, which is generally unrealistic for an actress ...

- Yes, it’s unrealistic, although someone won’t believe it again, so she never had a permanent director (here the situation is obvious - everyone understands everything perfectly).

After some time, quite a long time (well, a year, probably, has passed), it so happened that I was offered that Lucy come to Israel with our painting “Sek-Fairy Tale”.

“Lucy said: “Listen, I have an offer for you. If you want, come to my house, ”and then, of course, my heart sank. I came, Lucy opened. One in the house. One!"

— Excuse me, did you think about it during this year or not?

- Of course, I thought. Listen, I was proud that, as a producer, he made a film in which Gurchenko starred, it seemed incredible to me, and in general, such a time was swift: just yesterday you were studying, biting the granite of science in graduate school, and today you are making a picture. .. I called her, and we started an absolutely technical telephone conversation: how to organize everything, passports, visas ... She agreed, and so quickly that it even surprised me a little: “Yes! Everything! Okay, I'm going." It was only later that I realized what was the reason for such haste ...

— In what?

- The fact that at that moment she had problems in her personal life, disagreements with her husband began. I found out about this in 2000, her manuscript “Lucy, stop!” reprinting, I just read it, because we rarely shared some stories from our personal lives: she - hers, I - mine. It was then important for her to disappear from the country for some time, but where to go: to Israel, Kazakhstan, America, Australia - it was all the same ... Then the offer comes in, especially with the picture they invite that it is important for the actress: good "Sekskazka "or bad, like it or not, but this is an opportunity ... Moreover, Lucy understood: even if the viewer does not like the film, because it is like that, on the verge of a foul, there is still a department where you can talk, sing, and everything is like- then it balances out.

At the airport where Lucy flew to Israel from (she had already asked me to accompany her), we agreed that I would meet her on the return flight. After some time - 10 days or two weeks, I came to meet her at Sheremetyevo-2 and again did not recognize: I did not recognize! I ran in, fussed, then I looked: it seemed to be something familiar, but she always, when she arrived (whoever met: me, not me, and wherever she arrived), went out and, without stopping, went to the exit. “Luc, wait,” he asked, “maybe people will subside a little.” No, straight ahead - no pause, no stops.

— Star!

- Well, there was no stardom in it.

What about the inner feeling?

- The inner feeling was such that I was going here and there was no need to meet me here now. I can get into the car - catch a taxi, they will bring me to the hotel, moreover, arrogance, arrogance: come on, let's catch me now - there was absolutely no such thing. Maybe everything looks like this, but, knowing Lucy more deeply, I will say: it had nothing to do with her.

I took her home, we said goodbye at the doorstep, at the entrance, and that’s all, but somehow this wasn’t enough for me, I wanted to do something else. At work - I only thought about work then. By that time, it was already difficult in Odessa: everything was starting to fall apart, the studio was barely breathing, and I realized that I had to look for happiness somehow ...

- ...in Moscow...

- Yes, but happiness is not in personal life, again, but in work. Little by little, I recorded some music for foreign and our films, I met a good conductor, got to know the musicians, studio work began - something that, in principle, I loved very much, and of course, the thought that maybe some kind of movie would succeed to start, did not leave me. Now I don’t remember exactly under what pretext I called Lucy - I don’t tell this story for a long time?

No, very interesting...

“Lyudmila Markovna,” he said, “so and so, I would like to do something else with your participation.” She always spoke very simply, without these show-offs: ta-ta-ta, I’m busy now, call me back later, and this time she reacted in a businesslike way: “Yes, yes, of course.” Then she said: “Listen, I have a proposal for you. If you want, come to my house, and I will tell you what it is. Here, of course, my heart sank, and the funny thing is that I ...

Ahh, it used to be, I just missed one moment. When this Israeli story was, I rented an apartment in one of the sleeping areas of Moscow. My fellow operator, who also rented an apartment, but in the center, asked: “What are you going to hang out there for? Come over to me." I did just that, and, as it turned out later, this was the house in which Lucy and I had lived in recent years, and at that moment she lived literally around the corner. Can you imagine? - and when I found out about this, I felt that fate was already pushing us towards each other!

So I got ready. Came - Lucy opened. One in the house. One! “Well,” I thought, “maybe it’s because the meeting is on a working topic: we will talk about cinema, and she just wants no one to interfere.” The apartment was beautiful, with antique antique furniture - it was clear that everything was very thought out, but it was quite small, I would even say that it was modest for an actress of this level.

We sat down and started talking. She gave me her songs, which I had no idea at all ... Well, that is, I knew “Songs of War”, I heard something in a television performance, but TV, as a rule, with the exception of the luxurious programs “Songs of War” and “ Favorite songs ”, about her - I began to understand this later - a distorted idea gives ...

— ...narrow...

- She is a pop singer in the best sense of the word, pop as a great genre of art, and, of course, I was stunned, because I did not expect such a level, such quality of arrangements, such semantic loads in texts, such music - I suddenly found out that she she writes music herself, and she had very decent things ... In general, discoveries continued for me, and I spontaneously escaped: “I will do it!”. I promised, absolutely not understanding how I would do it and what exactly, especially since formally I still lived in Odessa.

Lucy conceived a television project similar to the famous "Songs", where monologues with vocals, with good decorations would alternate. She selected eight songs: “Let's do them,” and at that time the clip stories were already beginning, and I wanted to shoot it ... no, not a clip, but in line with new trends ... There was some kind of director who came and he told something - then he safely disappeared ... In general, somehow everything went on and on ...

This evening didn't end well, did it?

- Well, how? We talked, drank tea, coffee - everything! I returned to Odessa, I decided all the questions related to the fact that this picture could be put into production ... Two months, probably, passed, I occasionally called - it was uncomfortable for me ... I understood that I could normally only In that case, call Lyudmila Markovna if I say: “That's it! ..

- ...I'm ready!..

“…Let’s go!” For this, it was important to resolve issues, primarily financial ones - I settled them and arrived in Moscow. We have assembled an amazing team - now they are all famous, but then they were just starting: Fedya Bondarchuk - director, Misha Mukasey Jr. - cameraman, Borya Krasnov - scenery ...

- ...Wow!..

- ... Valya Yudashkin - costumes. This is the kind of team I found for Luce, although... The names are, of course, beautiful, but there were also difficulties in connection with this. All personalities, all ambitious, but, in my opinion, it worked out, and work, work, work began ... I began to pay attention to the fact that Lucy lives alone - she and the dachshund Tuzik, I realized that the first time I arrived listening to this musical story, in the apartment, I did not find anyone but her, not by chance. Tuzik and I walked, went to the Cinema House - then there was still an abundance of restaurants in Moscow, but there was still a favorite there. Once I invited her to my birthday in the circle of two of my friends: well, something like this step by step - step by step, quietly ...

“Lucy quietly asked my friend: “How old is Sergei Mikhailovich?” When he answered: “32”, she became ill, but when they saw us together, no one even thought that we were not a couple.

Do you remember the first kiss with Lyudmila Markovna? How did it happen?

I remember, but I'm ashamed to tell. We walked for a long time, I was very nervous. There had already been moments before that when I felt that something like this was arising between us - well, you know, when you can’t do without each other even a day. I began to cancel some of my trips, I stopped going to Odessa, because I noticed: if I’m away for a day or two, she gets nervous, starts to worry. In general, there were nuances (this is familiar to every person) that cannot be explained in words, but at some subconscious, intuitive level you feel that something is happening.

In my opinion, it was just after the birthday: we somehow sat very cheerfully, then we went to some theater, I saw Lucy off and felt that I could kiss her. He kissed me for real ... She remembered me for a long time later: “Dad, how did you sell your tongue to me the first time? You should have kissed me quietly, somehow dryly, with restraint. It was said with humor, but ... That's how it was - the first kiss, which, in my opinion, did not give anyone much pleasure.

- When did you realize that you love her, and who, in fact, was the first to confess his love to whom?

- You see, the phrase: “I love you” was difficult for Lucy to pronounce, she could say these words to a person only once in her life, and she once said them to me, but never repeated them again. With her all these children's games: “Do you love me?” - did not pass, but I can tell you this: I understood and, it seems to me, she understood that this is real ... We lived together from the beginning of 1993, and the first years turned out to be the happiest, because before that she was in a terrible psychological was shattered...

- Depressed, huh?

- Well, firstly, personal life did not work out: the family one did not just collapse, but collapsed overnight, and somehow very unexpectedly, the failure went. That's what I was talking about: today it's like this, but tomorrow bang! - and there is no turning back, it is necessary to recover from scratch, and secondly, the cinema has cracked. Because of this, her beloved profession, where one could go headlong (which, in fact, Lucy did all her life), ceased to serve as a refuge. Now there was nowhere to go - there was, of course, a stage, but everything was not easy there either. It is now that you come to any Muhosransk, and the equipment is there - Moscow will envy, and then there is nothing anywhere, and it is impossible to buy. I remember how we got DAT recorders, some amplifiers, microphones - this is a whole story. I had to order everything abroad, and it was difficult with work, of course, so I hung out between cities ...

Probably, our rapprochement was influenced by the fact that I had divorced by that time, I had already been one for two years, of course, the fact that she was in this lonely state also played a role ... Well, then I’m always ten years older than on in fact, according to the passport, he looked - it was a little reassuring. Lucy didn’t know how old I was until I invited her to my birthday party without explaining why. She understood this from the situation and quietly, as I was later told, asked my friend: “How old is Sergei Mikhailovich?” When he answered: "32", she became ill, I noticed it. Well, it’s not that bad, it’s just that her mood has deteriorated, because ... Actually, she was weak in arithmetic, but here, of course, she calculated and realized that, probably, this (clicks her tongue) ...

- Not that...

- So you were 32 years old then?

- Yes, and she is 57 - I'm strong in arithmetic, after all I graduated from graduate school.

- Misalliance, it would seem ...

- It would seem, yes, but everything is not so unambiguous ... I don’t want to talk about myself in this vein, and then I don’t know if it’s good or bad, I just cite it as a fact: in addition to external, I have some kind of internal adulthood exists. Journalists still indicate: 50th year of birth, 55th ... Through your newspaper I can say: “I am from the 61st”, so that everyone, finally, brings their knowledge into line with the truth, if anyone -that's interesting.

Something like this ... Lucy considered me very wise, smart, because there were some things that made her nervous, and I substituted my shoulder. In general, she always needed support.

Did you tell her that you love her?

- Said...

- Often?

- Often ... Well, how? I spoke, but I wanted her to feel it through some of my actions, through actions. I felt that words were not enough for her, because several times she reacted like this: “I love, I love ... Well, what do I love?”. And, of course, we were very close people in relation to life, to our favorite books, to music, to some manifestations of human qualities. This is a situation where you evaluate a lot of things, the most, very different, almost everything, in the same way. Not in the sense of agreeing with each other, when suddenly some interesting turn in the discussion of a particular topic arises, not just: “Do you like it?”. - "Yes". - "Well, I like it." No, at the beginning of our life together, we talked a lot and suddenly realized that our circles of interests intersect very well.

- Lyudmila Markovna told you, or gossip went behind the scenes, or her movie star friends whispered: “Look, what a young kid she grabbed for herself”? Was there jealousy towards her?

- Firstly, for some time she had no movie star friends.

Already a plus...

- You know, Dima, we never directly encountered this - I think that everyone fell under the feeling that Lucy and I were in, because we heard just the opposite from many. When they saw us together, no one even thought that we were not a couple. Of course, if people were more or less sane, because there are also enough insane people, but God is with them ... Very often, not just our friends, but just acquaintances or strangers said how good we look next to each other: there is no feeling that boy and woman together. It happened, I don't know why...

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On the eve of the 80th anniversary of Lyudmila Markovna, Sergei Senin told Gordon Boulevard about why he turned an apartment in the center of Moscow into a museum, and he decided to wander around rented apartments. And also - how he blessed Yulia Peresild for the role of Gurchenko in the biopic, how he divided the property with the daughter of the actress Masha, about cars, expensive jewelry, Lyudmila Markovna's love for gay men and why Irina Bilyk refused to participate in the anniversary concert.

Photo: Felix Rosenstein / Gordon Boulevard

- Sergei Mikhailovich, in November Lyudmila Markovna would have turned 80 years old. How will you celebrate your birthday?

- I do not know yet. I wouldn't want it to turn into food and drink. There are many options: from very modest to serious and large-scale ... Probably, we will gather our closest friends and sit down. I would like music to sound this evening, Lucy's songs. There was an idea to organize an exhibition in Moscow, but so far it has not been possible. Today, everything depends on finances, and these are unrealistic amounts.

- I know that a month before your birthday you are organizing a big anniversary concert dedicated to Lyudmila Markovna in the Kremlin Palace in Moscow. In this regard, due to the tense political situation in Kyiv, a big scandal has recently erupted related to Irina Bilyk, who is on your list of invited artists. Will Irina take part in this concert?

- We are very well acquainted with Ira, I really invited her. I really wanted her to perform the romance "Roshi fell on the mowing" from the film "Roman and Francesca". She liked the idea, but, as I understood it, there were some problems. I really don’t know what, I only heard rumors that she would not be able to participate. It is unfortunate that the time has come when politics interferes in everything. I really wanted this concert to have some kind of Ukrainian piece, because Lyudmila Markovna had a lot to do with Ukraine.

- Are you interested in what is happening now?

- Well, of course! What a desperate and tragic situation. I myself am from Odessa, but I cannot come to Odessa - not because I am afraid. The mood is gone. I'm not looking for the guilty and the right. In such situations, everyone is always to blame. And here it is impossible to say who is more, who is less. We must believe that this will pass and everything will be fine. But what is happening is unrealistic. I remember when Lyusya and I went together for the first time in 1993 to Kharkov, she burst into tears at the border when she was asked to fill out a customs declaration. How is it - she is going to her homeland, and here it is ... Tears stood in her eyes. I imagine what would happen to her now if she saw that her two favorite countries were in such a terrible situation ...

The creative things that I have planned to carry out distract me from sad thoughts. We have been doing this concert for half a year now, and I feel the presence of Lucy: her songs, her voice… In fact, she is the director and author of this evening

Lyudmila Gurchenko on the set of the film "Carnival Night". Photo: svalka24.beon.ru

- I wanted to ask you about the upcoming concert. What is being prepared? It is not easy to pull such a large project financially without sponsors ...

- All these creative things that I have now decided to carry out distract me from sad thoughts. We have been doing this concert for half a year already, and I feel the presence of Lucy: her songs, her voice… In fact, she is the director and author of this evening. I didn’t invent anything - I just sat down, thought, remembered how it was with her ... I knew her concerts well, she didn’t have random songs, everything was built from the first word to the final note. I was guided by this principle even now, realizing that she would have done this number like this. Perhaps somewhere I am mistaken, but on the whole I am sure that I definitely followed her prompts.

No one helped us financially, there is a partner who supported and proposed the idea of ​​this project. These are our common friends with Lucy, associates. I wrote the script, invited a good director, choreographer. The main thing I was guided by was that I wanted to perform songs that Lyudmila Markovna herself composed, and those that are associated with her, but she is not their author, such as "Carnival Night".

The vast majority of the artists I invited worked with her on stage, in films. These are those whom she treated with great respect and warmth, or, like Zemfira, with undisguised delight. But the evening will not turn into "Song of the Year" when the artists took the stage, sang and fled. There is a dramatic basis. Despite the fact that this is a concert in memory of Luce, she will be present on stage and in the hall. Maxim Averin will be the host, and Lucy will become his co-host. Everything is built in such a way that they will complement each other. A very good actress (until I open all the cards), she will not be disguised as Lucy, but she will play her in those places that seemed very important to us, where we did not find the necessary material and through this actress we restored how it could be, be here yourself Lucy. In general, it should turn out interesting, if only there was enough time to implement everything the way we want.

Lyudmila Markovna charged everyone with her indefatigable energy.

- Was the choice of songs by the artists unexpected for you?

- Yes, it was not easy. When inviting artists, I understood that many of them would agree to perform, but it was important for me to offer them the number that would be combined, in my opinion, with them, but, unfortunately, it did not always work out that way. As a result, we faced such a problem: Lucy had a large repertoire built for her, a huge acting component, and where it seemed to us that this or that performer would perform this song, it suddenly turned out that the artists themselves said that they could not do it. to do ... But we discussed everything in a friendly way, invented it. These will be new interpretations with new arrangements. Before that, no one had performed Lucy's songs like that. For example, Zemfira will not rehash anything - she will sing her hit "Do you want?", Because it has long been associated with Lyudmila Markovna, who performed this song in different versions - both on stage, and for television programs, and in the film, so that's all happened by itself.

- Did it happen that one of the artists asked for a fee for participation? As they say, friendship is friendship, but you always want to eat ...

- No, otherwise this concert would not have been possible at all. Everyone was very respectful, understanding, no talk about fees even came close.

The things that we have in our house have been studied by specialists from the Stroganov Academy. About forty people took part in this. A collective doctoral or candidate's dissertation has definitely already been written there. I think Lucy would be surprised to hear about this.

Lyudmila Gurchenko and Sergei Sein in their Moscow apartment. Photo: newsliga.ru

- They say that you want to open a memorial museum in the apartment where you lived with Lyudmila Markovna for many years. How do you imagine this idea in reality?

- I don't want to call it a museum, a museum is something frozen. It will be a workshop museum. The whole apartment is allocated for this, because of this I was forced to rent a house for myself, because if you do this, it is unrealistic to live there. So now I live outside the city - the air is fresh here, and the dogs are happy.

This business is interesting to me, otherwise everything would lie dead weight and be quietly eaten by moths. After Lucy, a colossal man-made heritage remained: costumes, accessories, jewelry, handbags, belts. There are more than 800 costumes alone. Exhibitions have already been held in Moscow, which lasted about a year, in the Sheremetev Palace in St. Petersburg, and recently an exhibition was held in Rostov. This happens all the time, and not because I'm trying to organize it: museums themselves turn to me.

So many things - and how to store it? Restoration is a big deal. Therefore, such an idea was born - to open a museum. Five years have passed since Lucy passed away, but until now we find some incredible things that even I could not notice, and now people who understand this are discovering some deep meaning of these things. Therefore, I and my new friends, and among them - scientists, professors, academicians, felt that there is interest in this. If these things die, it will be a pity. Such dresses that Lucy herself made and invented, no one makes today.

- And how quickly did you decide to go through all her things?

- In the first months after her departure, I was in a state of complete dullness. And suddenly I got a call from a Moscow gallery and museum, and it all started with that. The head of the costume shop came to my house and did a dry cleaning of each item, each now has its own trunk, everything is numbered, hanging on hangers. Everything in the house has been photographed and studied. Specialists from the Stroganov Academy worked from different areas: some were engaged in the decoration of costumes, others - paraphernalia and accessories, others - Gzhel and ceramics. About forty people took part in this. A collective doctoral or candidate's dissertation has definitely already been written there. I think Lucy would be surprised to hear about it.

I myself began to understand this. And so you look - a chanterelle and a chanterelle hangs, but it turns out that there is no price for it - not in the sense that it costs a lot of money: there is already historical value there. History - it also goes away. We also want to make an exhibition of black and white photographs, there are hundreds of thousands of them. For twenty years I have not been able to sort it out and now I continue, but not alone, thank God.

Lyudmila Markovna has repeatedly received the title of the most stylish actress. Photo from the personal archive of Lyudmila Gurchenko

- Does this mean that your living space will become a museum on a permanent basis?

- No, the apartment has a museum for the time being, because renting a room is fabulous money, but I am a stubborn and stubborn person, so my friends and I are promoting this, but for now everything will be in the apartment. Why a workshop museum? Professionals and non-professionals will come here, people who want to learn something. For example, good craftsmen will show some kind of accessory that Lyudmila Markovna had and tell you how to make something that is valuable today with your own hands. And then life will show whether it will take place or not. But I really hope everything works out. Over time, perhaps, the city authorities will show interest in having a room where a full-fledged gallery could be made.

Entrance will be free, because it is designed primarily for those who are really interested. There are already those who are ready to help, everything needs to be maintained and restored. We can say that these will be donations "from their own".

From October 1 to October 15, an exhibition of dolls and angels, which Lyudmila Markovna has been collecting all her life, will be held in Moscow.

And on November 9, on the house where we lived for the last twenty years, I will open a memorial plaque.

I was approached by more than twenty production centers who wanted to make a film about Luce. I have seen TV series about Tolkunova, Pugacheva, I generally keep quiet about Zykina. And I understood that if I behave categorically, it will end the same. So I met with everyone.

The ring on the right hand made of white gold with sapphire, donated by Lyudmila Markovna, Sergei Senin still does not take off. Photo: Felix Rosenstein/Gordon Boulevard

- Your whole life still revolves around Lyudmila Markovna. What are you doing for a living now?

- I gave three years to the theater of Armen Dzhigarkhanyan, now I work as an assistant to the artistic director of the theater. E. Vakhtangov Rimas Tuminas. This work is different, but it is also very difficult, it takes a lot of time. Rimas is my old friend, with whom we have gone through a lot in work and in life. And I'm happy to work with him. This theater is number one today. There are many interesting things there. True, this work is tearing me to pieces in connection with the upcoming concert and exhibition, but all people are sympathetic to my situation, so I think everything will be in order.

- Recently, many biopics about our contemporaries have been filmed. I know that director Sergei Aldonin has recently started filming a 16-episode film "Lyusya Gurchenko". Were you asked for permission?

- A year and a half or two years ago, I was bombarded with an endless stream of calls from various film companies and production centers that wanted to make a film about Lucy. In total, more than twenty applied. I understood that this is a very sensitive topic and that you can’t just say no over the phone. We are witnesses to how unscrupulous people act: they take history, change one letter in the surname, two in the name, and do what they want. I saw this in the series about Val Tolkunova, about Pugacheva, about Zykina, in general, I am silent. And I understood that if I behave categorically, it will end the same. Therefore, he chose a different tactic: he decided that he needed to know everything from the inside, so he met with everyone and asked two questions: who plays Lyudmila Markovna and who plays her father. Because without Lucy's dad, Mark Gavrilovich, it is impossible to create any story about Lucy. There was an incredible connection between them, and without him her whole life would be incomprehensible. As a result, what I heard from incoming directors horrified me, but I did not show it. Sometimes I managed to disappear, someone still had to refuse sharply, some even began to scare me, they said, they say, if you refuse, we will do like everyone else: we will change the names - and there will be a story about Luce, but you cannot legally show us no complaints.

Julia Peresild will play Lyudmila Markovna in Sergei Aldonin's film. Photo: videozal.su

Seryozha Aldonin (Lyusya knew him; a good theater director, by the way) came to the meeting with a young producer. Both eyes are burning, and I realized that they want to do a big, important thing. They named good actors: Yulia Peresild, whom I like as an actress, will play Lyudmila Markovna, Nikolai Dobrynin will play the father, the type is well chosen, and Nadya Mikhalkova will play Lucy's mother in her youth. Great company.

But I had a condition that the book "My adult childhood" should become the basis of the film. This is war, Kharkov, the corpses that Lucy saw. It was at that time that such a phenomenon as Lyudmila Markovna Gurchenko was born.

In general, the guys took it seriously and after a while they sent the script. I did not like him. We met again, discussed everything, and they took a timeout for six months. Aldonin himself rewrote the script. The second version was already a good, serious work. In any case, I hope that the film will not be based on the yellow press. Moreover, we agreed that the period they will talk about will begin with her birth and end in 1983-1985. Then the restructuring began. This time is closer to us - why shoot it when everything is on the Internet, the chronicle and gossip.

As for the rest, I am glad that the film fell into the hands of decent comrades, and I believe that it will be a clean work, but no one can say how talented it will be, we'll see. I've only been on set once.

- By the way, is it true that in Kharkov they will still call the street after Lyudmila Markovna?

- I think it would be right. Kharkov should be proud that Lucy was born there. But there are laws according to which a street can be named only after ten years. In any case, no one contacted me. I remember the story with the monument that they wanted to erect to Lucy in Kharkov, but then they never did. This situation exhausted her greatly. She didn’t know anything about it, but at that time some strife began, everything fell on her poor head, and she didn’t know what monument and why.

about the abundance of jewels, everything was modest. I gave her antique rings with precious stones, she was always fond of very expensive jewelry, but these are not simple knick-knacks. It happens that good jewelry is more expensive than jewelry.

Two stars - two bright stories. Barbara Brylska and Lyudmila Gurchenko. Photo: Alexander Lazarenko/ "Gordon Boulevard"

- Not so long ago lawyer Yuliy Kaygorodov, who helped you resolve conflicts over the division of property with Gurchenko's daughter Masha, admitted that Lyudmila Markovna had almost no expensive jewelry - everything she wore was mostlygood jewelry. How could this be?

- Lucy never had an abundance of jewelry, everything was very modest. She loved vintage jewelry. I gave her earrings and rings with precious and semi-precious stones. Dima Gordon once presented very beautiful earrings with emeralds...

Lyudmila Gurchenko and Dmitry Gordon really had a long-term friendship. Photo: Felix Rosenstein / "Gordon Boulevard"

Lucy was also fond of very expensive jewelry, but these are not simple knick-knacks. It happens that good jewelry is more expensive than jewelry. There was such costume jewelry that you will not find in the daytime with fire. But she also added a lot to it herself, then it is generally unreal, a fantastic thing, but for those who understand, the rest do not care.

Lyudmila Gurchenko's daughter Maria reconciled with Sergei Senin almost five years after her mother's death. Photo: labs.exalead.com

And with Masha, we settled all the cases, there were no court cases. Through no fault of my own, we resolved them five years later, and resolved the way I suggested at the very beginning. Quiet, calm, everyone is happy. Masha will be at the anniversary concert. Last year, we were together in St. Petersburg at the birthday party of Lyudmila Markovna, so everything is fine. We didn’t have any struggle for the apartment either. Masha had a dacha, I had an apartment. I paid her a decent amount as compensation for having Lucy's things left for me to take care of the museum. Because if we started sharing the things that were left, we would go crazy. Our grandchildren would still finish these things. Masha understands that I am doing this purposefully. In addition, she has her own problems, children, grandchildren. But the fact that I am alive is a guarantee that these things will last for at least some of the coming decades, and then I don’t know how it will be. I don't think about any story in the future - I just would be terribly sorry if it all disappeared. I know that the Hermitage is also interested in Lucy's handmade costumes, there are extraordinary things there!

Lusya always performed with pleasure in gay clubs, and she had many friends from this circle. Everyone had a normal relationship. She considered these people the most grateful audience

Lyudmila Markovna at a performance in a Kiev gay club. Alexei Panin threw himself at the feet of the actress. Photo: e-motion.tochka.net

- I still remember one of the last unofficial visits of Lyudmila Markovna to Kyiv: she came to the opening of a gay club on Khreshchatyk. A small basement, there were so many people that she hardly made her way to the stage, there was not enough air. And then I thought that such stress at her age could really be decided only for the sake of money. Has she needed them in recent years?

- Lucy always performed with pleasure in such institutions, and she had many friends from this circle. Everyone had a normal relationship. She considered these people the most grateful audience. Starting from "Motley Twilight", she had some premonition of something ... A man lived his best years with downtime in work, but now it seemed like he wanted to make up for everything. I tried to stop this process, to streamline, but I realized that it was pointless.

The last two years - 2010 and 2011 - have been a real madness for her. But such is the life of an actor. If our actors of Soviet cinema were paid in accordance with their talent and contribution, then one "Carnival Night" in America would cost her what! Take off - and live happily ever after. But we didn’t have that, so when it became possible to earn money, the forces weren’t the same and the demand wasn’t the same, but she always had to overcome something in order to be at the top.

- Could you save some money or did everyone live right there and invest in their needs?

- I can't say that we were making crazy money - rather, they were normal. This allowed us not to deny ourselves anything, but also not to live in luxury. There was no waste, because there was nothing to waste. We lived modestly, without frills, but we could safely travel abroad, changing cars of good brands every two years. The apartment was in the center of Moscow, in the best area, but more than modest - 120 meters. And also a very modest cottage. All this was quite enough for a happy life and work.

I remember when tough times came, in 1998, we made the first original musical "Bureau of Happiness", the composition was more than a hundred people ... Suddenly a default struck. I had to get my hard-earned money and invest in this business, otherwise it would not work. With "Colorful Twilight" in 2008 there was a similar situation. We start filming, the state allocates 1 million rubles for the film, and this is at best a quarter for a modest film. A crisis comes, the ruble falls - and we again sell something of our own, take it out of our bosom and invest in the project.

Lucy's grave has a watch every weekend. I am calm, because I myself have begun to visit less often, there is not enough time due to being so busy as it is now, but I know that there are reliable and devoted people. Many call them fans - probably this is so, because they have been on duty for five years

The grave of Lyudmila Gurchenko at the Novodevichy Cemetery is cleaned every weekend by fans in turn. Photo: kpmedia.ru

- When Lyudmila Markovna passed away, a Russian tabloid published a photo of her in a coffin. What was your reaction?

- I saw this magazine! Someone slipped it under my apartment door. Everything went cold for me, but not because this photo was published. I just once again saw Lyusya lifeless. And so - I do not care about them. Journalists have brought so much trouble to us in life, I despise so many of them, they are just nonhumans! How much dirt was poured on Lucy even after death! But I myself do not read anything on purpose, unless it catches my eye without my desire. Many books have been written about her, most of them mediocre. The best was written by journalist Valery Kichin, the book is simply amazing!

There are guys from Lyusya's VKontakte group who help me take care of her grave and the grave of her parents buried at the Vagankovsky cemetery, her grandson Mark is also there, they also take care of his grave. And at Novodevichy every weekend there is duty. I am calm, because I myself have begun to visit less often, there is not enough time due to being so busy as it is now, but I know that there are reliable and devoted people. Many call them fans, and in a sense they are really fans, because for five years now they have been keeping a kind of watch, cleaning, wiping the monument, throwing away wilted flowers. They could do their own thing, but they come there, it is important for them. I thought - well, probably, some time will pass, as it usually happens: at first everything is nearby, and at the end there are two people left. But no, they still come every weekend and bring their children, I scold them for this, but I can’t do anything, thanks anyway for having them, it would be completely sad without them.

- Do you dream about Lyudmila Markovna, do you feel her presence?

Yes, I see her very often. The last time I dreamed yesterday, but this is connected with the concert, when the balls for the rollers are already calling. I check everything through Lucy all the time, I consult with her. For the first six months, it’s not like I didn’t see dreams with her at all - I couldn’t restore her face in my memory. Such a strange bang in my head happened. And then I had a dream, but I didn’t see her in a dream, I only knew that it was Lucy standing on the bridge, but there was no one there. Some kind of dream.

How do you consult with her?

- I sit down and imagine how she would say in this situation. Lucy has always made wise decisions. Sometimes I categorically disagreed, and then after a while I realized how insightful, fair and wise she was, how accurately she assessed people, deeds, actions. There was some wisdom in her. And it helps today. It happens that I can’t find an answer, a hopeless situation, then I consult with her again.

- They say that married people will be together in the next world. You had an official marriage, but you did not get married. Do you regret it now?

- These are such complicated things… I was recently tormented that I erected a monument on the grave, but there is no cross there.

In general, of course, I regret a lot ... I behaved incorrectly, made me nervous, suffered, was rude. When you live and work together, you don't notice many things. If I could return that time, I would be more attentive, would forbid her to do some work in order to save strength and health, but this is all in the past.

- Do you wear a wedding ring? In general, are there things donated by Lyudmila Markovna that you do not part with?

- I took mine off, now our two rings are at home together. And I wear a white gold ring with a sapphire. It is always with me. Lucy gave it to me in 1995 when we were in New York. It's not expensive, bought in a very good store on Fifth Avenue. And a pectoral cross of the 19th century, which she bought me at the Izmailovsky opening day in Moscow in 1993.

If I'm alone, then I'll be alone, not alone, so not alone. All the same, my attitude, memory and the twenty years that we lived with Lucy will not disappear from this. It's definitely forever!

"I took off my engagement ring, our two rings are now at home together." Photo: donbass.ua

- But you admit that sooner or later you will arrange your life again?

- Why guess? Probably ... I can’t say no, everything, never. Life goes on in such a way that you make plans, and then bam - and everything turned upside down. As it will be, so it will be. If I'm alone, then I'll be alone, not alone, so not alone. I think it's ok. All the same, my attitude, memory and the twenty years that we lived with Lucy will not disappear from this. It's definitely forever! And everything else is life that requires something. It is very difficult for one to deal with, for example, everyday life, housekeeping and solving some primitive issues. Although I have a housekeeper who worked with us even under Luce. Now she began to come less, because there is less work outside the city. But she is with me, helping, cleaning. And my friends don't leave me either.

"LET'S TAKE THE GRINDER AND CUT THE LOCK"

The apartment in the center of Moscow, in which Lyudmila Gurchenko and Sergei Senin have lived for the last 10 years, was broken into at the request of the daughter of the actress. Lyudmila Markovna's husband was at home at that moment. All this was filmed on camera by TV people.

On Wednesday at about nine in the evening I was returning home from the birthday of a close friend. Masha called (daughter from the marriage of an actress with screenwriter Boris Andronikashvili. - Ed.) with the question: “I am standing under your door, where do you go ?!”

I was surprised, because in the three years that have passed since Lucy left, I have repeatedly contacted Masha - I called, sent official letters with an offer to meet. Masha kept a strange pause ... "I'll be back in an hour," I answered Masha. I go into the entrance, on the site I see not only Masha, but also a group of people I do not know with a television camera. I said hello and went to the apartment. The doorbell started ringing. I tried to explain to Masha that I was ready to open it, but I ask the film crew to leave the entrance. I did not give permission to shoot in the apartment where I have been living for the last ten years. In response, the phrase followed: "Then we will now take the grinder and cut out the lock." I managed to call a lawyer. She contacted Masha by phone and explained that we were ready for a constructive conversation. But Masha hung up. A few minutes later, the door began to break down. All he had time to do was call the police. People with microphones from one of the TV channels, known for their passion for crime chronicles, broke into the apartment at about a quarter to eleven, began to walk around the rooms and take off Lyudmila Markovna's personal belongings. In their company there was a man in a police uniform who behaved unceremoniously - with a triumphant look he touched things with his hands, spoke phrases that provoked an even greater scandal. Luckily, I didn't succumb to it. But when a journalist at some point put a mobile phone with a working video camera to my face, I could not stand it and tried to remove the phone. Just then, a policeman intervened. I stepped back. They acted like landlords. In this company there was an individual with a suitcase of tools, ready to repair the door or insert a new lock in case of emergency. The man was very worried that he would not be filmed. All this was like a theater of the absurd.

- Have you tried to talk to Masha?

- “Masha, come to your senses, what are you doing? I understand that you have not talked to your mother for 15 years and have never been in this apartment. Come on, I'll show you everything you want to see. But I ask again - let the journalists leave the premises, ”I asked Masha. At this time, the employee of the TV channel continued to freely walk around the apartment, periodically pointing the camera in the face. “I would like to take this cup, these saucers ... - said Masha, examining the dishes on the table. - Do you have a newspaper? I need to wrap it up ... ”In extreme amazement, I asked:“ And for the sake of this shooting was started? Take the cup and whatever you want, but only then the mother's museum will not work.

A year ago, Sergey Mikhailovich turned to me with a request to get in touch with Masha, but Maria Borisovna didn’t want to agree on anything specific at that moment, says lawyer Yulia Kaygorodova.

Our last conversation ended with my proposal: “Masha, let's not count forks and spoons. Now about thirty people work in the apartment - scientists from the Stroganov School, specialists in costume, jewelry, porcelain, and furniture. They catalog everything from concert and casual dresses to glasses and vases. The nominal price of these things is far from exorbitant. But from the point of view of the future museum and memory, they are priceless. When closer to the summer the specialists finish their work and we find an opportunity to organize a museum, I propose to arrange all the exhibits in half. And let this memory remain for our descendants,” says Sergei Senin. Masha didn't mind.

"CARS ARE ALREADY SEPARATED, REAL ESTATE IS ON THE LINE"

- Sergei Mikhailovich, what about real estate?

With real estate, everything is transparent and notarized. Masha owns 1/4 of a three-room Moscow apartment and half of a dacha in the Moscow region. But it has not yet been determined how these shares will be used. Because on the part of Masha, objectively inflated financial requirements are still sounding. Two cars - a seven-year-old Audi 4 and a new Volvo, my gift to Lucy for her last anniversary - Masha and I sold and divided the money as required by law. Six months ago, after completing the exhibition at the Museum of Moscow, I gave Masha a service of her famous grandfather Boris Pilnyak, a trophy mirror that Lyusin's dad brought (Masha's second grandfather Mark Gavrilovich Gurchenko) in 1945 from Germany, albums with her childhood photographs - because that he considered not entitled to even discuss my claim to these things. Before the New Year, he gave Masha several Lucy's fur coats ...

The only way to solve the problem is either to agree, - says lawyer Yulia Kaigorodova, - or go to a civil court, which will determine the procedure for using real estate. But this situation is not the basis for breaking the door. When I arrived at the call of Sergei Mikhailovich, people from the television group tried not to let me into the apartment. The police, who arrived at the scene, could not do anything. Representatives of the media have the right to rent in the apartment only with the consent of both owners. But the solution of this issue is not the competence of the police. I tried several times to explain this to the head of the film crew, but he did not react to my words, but only repeated in front of the cameras: “Maria Borisovna, take your things!”

Then I turned to Masha:

Maria Borisovna, do you have evidence of what kind of things belong to you personally? This apartment contains the personal belongings of Sergei Senin and Lyudmila Gurchenko, which is not surprising - they lived together for nineteen years and bought this apartment ten years ago. This is the only housing of Sergei Mikhailovich. He has no other place to live. You and your husband live in a different apartment. You must divide Lyudmila Markovna's things in half by a peace treaty, and not by capture. Not every person is ready to let journalists into his house without warning. For what purpose did the door break under the cells? Exclusively for the purpose of scandal. This is a provocation.

"A CUP, THREE SAUCERS, JARS OF PERFUME..."

In the process of shooting, Maria approached me with the words: “I am ready to meet for a conversation,” Yulia Kaigorodova continues. She tried to explain herself, to justify herself. But the head of the film crew immediately pulled back: “Maria, do not make contact. I won't let this woman fool you!" As a result, Masha took a cup, saucers, jars of perfume, and wrapped everything in a newspaper in a revealing way. After that, Sergei Mikhailovich led Masha through the rooms, showed her everything. The police representative smiled, “Give me your business card, please. I'm a third-year law student, maybe someday your advice will be needed ... ”Masha looked lost. I think she herself did not fully understand what the sensation hunters provoked her to.

I don't feel the need to defend myself, but strange things are happening, says Sergei Senin. - In the 21st century, people can come to the center of Moscow, break the door and, triumphantly, go into the bedroom with a camera. What to do? The only person who could tell today is Lucy. But, unfortunately, it is impossible to consult ... When they were about to leave, the lawyer and I suggested that Masha stay. But they didn't give her. I hope that in the near future Masha will negotiate with us in a more civilized way. The door is open for her.

Sergey Senin and Lyudmila Gruchenko lived together for 20 years. Despite the big difference in age (the artist was 25 years older than her husband), it was Sergey who made all the decisions in the house. About how the relationship between Gurchenko and her last spouse developed - in our material

Sergey Senin and Lyudmila Gruchenko lived together for 20 years. Despite the big difference in age (the artist was 25 years older than her husband), it was Sergey who made all the decisions in the house. About how the relationship between Gurchenko and her last husband developed - in our material.

Before meeting each other, Sergei Senin and Lyudmila Gurchenko lived their whole lives. He managed to get married, raise a daughter, get a divorce, live in Odessa, Israel, and return. She was married five times. They met in Vilnius in 1990 on the set of the film "Sekskazka" based on Nabokov. Margarita Terekhova, who was supposed to play the main role in the film, unexpectedly refused. She was replaced by Lyudmila Gurchenko, who at that time was divorcing her next husband and, in order to distract herself, agreed to any job. On the set, Senin turned white when he saw the actress, but then a close acquaintance did not take place. Later, when the picture was released, his ex-wife Galina called him (at that time the divorce papers had not been finalized, but in fact the spouses had not lived together for a long time) and asked him to organize Gurchenko’s tour to Israel (it would bring her good dividends). Sergei at first refused - he was not so close to the artist to ask her for such a service. But later he nevertheless decided to help his ex-wife - and called Lyudmila Markovna Gurchenko. And she, being depressed, was looking for any opportunity to leave home. And agreed to tour in Israel.
Relations developed exclusively in a businesslike way: he completed all the documents, took the artist to the airport, and then met her. And so their relationship began: first - working, then - friendly, and, finally, love.

Lyudmila Markovna was embarrassed by Sergei's age. At that time he was thirty-two, she was fifty-seven. But he so strongly reminded her of her father, whom she extolled all her life, that she could not refuse Senin.
“If you want - believe it, if you want - no, we did not get tired of each other. Of course, they swore, they could quarrel until they broke plates, but exactly three minutes later it was all over, ”Sergey Senin told the Caravan of History correspondent.
Quarrels, of course, happened, but over trifles. Sergei was the first to put up, since the artist, he notes, did not know how to admit her mistakes. True, he explains, he does not consider this a disadvantage. Senin always notes that Lyudmila Markovna taught him a lot. “The main thing that Lucy taught me is to be attentive to people. Be more tolerant. Lucy herself was an extremely gullible person. But over the years, she developed a certain caution. I think that what I valued most of all is my appeasement, ”-
Senin and Gurchenko signed only after six years of living together. Sergei was a citizen of Ukraine and in connection with this, many difficulties arose.
Sergei Senin was with Lyudmila Markovna until the last minute of her life. The first year after her departure, he remembers poorly. He says his friends helped. Despite everything that he did for her and for her sake, Senin blames that he did not have time to give much. “Still, I was often very dry with Lucy, tired of her suspicion of people, sometimes I argued out of stubbornness, realizing that she almost always turns out to be right. And it pissed me off. I regret a lot. But death is such a thing, it happened, and you understand: “Oh, boy, you were late, you didn’t give love, attention, you didn’t stroke your broken leg once again ...,” Senin said in the same interview with Caravan of Stories.

7 years ago. On March 30, 2011, one of the brightest movie and pop stars of the 20th century passed away. Ludmila Gurchenko. She was outstanding in everything and knew how to impress both on and off the set. Friends spoke of her as a passionate and addicted nature, which is confirmed by a considerable number of marriages, the exact number of which the actress herself never named. She generally rarely remembered her first marriages, which she considered "gaps" in her biography.

Lyudmila Gurchenko met her first husband while still studying at VGIK. At that time, she was 18 years old, and he was 30, but this age difference did not stop them and did not frighten them, unlike those around them. The young director Vasily Ordynsky did not hide his close relationship with the young actress, and when he proposed her candidacy for the main role in his film A Man Is Born, he met the unanimous condemnation of the artistic council - the patronage of his mistress was regarded as a violation of Soviet morality. They remained together for about a year, in most sources this marriage is called civil. Gurchenko never talked about the reasons for their separation, only once saying that she "couldn't forgive betrayal." According to other sources, the initiator of the separation was Ordynsky himself.

No one knew how many official marriages Lyudmila Gurchenko actually had. She herself called different numbers each time. Nobody knew about some of her chosen ones at all. As well as the existence of a daughter, about which the actress almost never spoke. Maria was born in the second marriage of Gurchenko with Boris Andronikashvili, a student of the screenwriting department, the son of the writer Boris Pilnyak and the Georgian princess Kira Andronikashvili. She also met him at VGIK, and the novel developed just as rapidly. Gurchenko was proud that such a handsome and intellectual man was next to her, she was envied by all her classmates.

But after 3 years, this marriage broke up - the husband turned out to be unprepared for family life, did not take her profession seriously, and besides, he cheated on his wife. " Everything in it was out of reach for me. And vice versa. He treated my profession with irony ... When I got into a sphere that was not “my own” (I was interested in his complex screenwriting profession), I was always amazed at how much irony my “jump” from a frivolous, primitive acting life into his mysterious world caused in him ... somehow talentedly knew how to live side by side, being only on his own shore. With incredible willpower, I had to learn to live alone together ...”, Gurchenko wrote about him.

The next chosen one of Lyudmila Gurchenko was the actor Alexander Fadeev Jr., the adopted son of the writer Alexander Fadeev and the artist of the Moscow Art Theater Angelina Stepanova. Their stormy romance ended with a wedding. And again, very soon, Gurchenko realized that the decision to tie the knot was too reckless and thoughtless. The husband lived in a big way, spending all his free time in restaurants and not denying himself anything. After 2 years, the artist got tired of his constant spree and left. She called this marriage "an unfortunate mistake" and a "dash" in her life.

However, the mistakes of youth did not stop her from subsequent rash decisions. After fleeting romances with actor Anatoly Vedenkin and artist Boris Diodorov, she got married again. True, Boris Diodorov, who left his family for the sake of Gurchenko, called her his wife, although their marriage was not officially registered. Their relationship lasted only a year, and Diodorov recalled them with regret: “ Lucin's character was unbearable, she was annoyed at the slightest provocation and without. And I tried to support her in everything, took on all the everyday problems and actually turned into her servant ... This marriage could not end with anything but a divorce».

And the next official husband of Lyudmila Gurchenko was Joseph Kobzon. There were legends about this marriage - two stars, two extraordinary personalities who were too different to be a happy couple. Nevertheless, their union lasted about three years. And both spouses years later called him a colossal mistake, therefore, in the biography of the actress, and in the biography of the singer, this fact, as a rule, was not mentioned. Kobzon claimed that he decided to register a marriage with Gurchenko only because they were denied a joint accommodation in hotels, and said: “ We were very passionate about each other and I loved having such a beautiful, popular actress.". And Gurchenko admitted: “ There was nothing good in this marriage ... Fool, it seemed to me that I would “rebuild” it. What naivete. He needed the director of his repertoire, his appearance nearby. Great opportunities do not replace taste, style ... It was one of the worst mistakes in my life».

But Gurchenko's relationship with pianist Konstantin Cooperweiss lasted 18 years - from 1973 to 1991, although the marriage was civil, and the wife was 14 years older than her chosen one. The actress admitted that she was very happy during this period. Cooperweiss sacrificed his musical career for her and became her accompanist, administrator and secretary, took care of his wife at home and on tour, indulging all her whims and whims. Filling out the questionnaire, he wrote in the column "specialty": "Gurchenko's husband." But Cooperweiss could not stand the fact that he constantly remained on the sidelines with his star wife, who constantly suppressed him, and years later he left for another woman.