Yana Poplavskaya. Yana Poplavskaya: the "little red riding hood" of Soviet cinema Where is Yana Poplavskaya now
The ex-husband of "Little Red Riding Hood" regrets that they could not remain friends
The ex-husband of "Little Red Riding Hood" regrets that they could not remain friends
This year turned out to be a turning point for director Sergei GINZBURG, who directed such film and television hits as Fall Up, Still I Love, Gangs, Love-Carrot-3. Sergey celebrated his 50th birthday and soon divorced his wife Yana POPLAVSKY, with whom he lived for almost a quarter of a century. If "Little Red Riding Hood" actively commented on the divorce, citing her husband's infidelity as the reason for it, then Ginzburg himself remained silent for a long time. And only in an interview with Express Gazeta did he decide to touch on this delicate topic for the first time.
- Sergei, you are one of the few directors who almost did not shoot his wife, now the former, in his films.
Sometimes I filmed Yana, but not in the lead roles. Cinema is a multi-million dollar budget, a responsibility to the audience, so it is incorrect to involve loved ones. There is no need to mix work and personal relationships, often this causes laughter and gossip. In addition, if the director begins to actively involve his wife or mistress in all his films, as a rule, his colleagues stop doing this at all.
Did Poplavskaya understand this?
Hope. Our marriage lasted 25 years. We loved each other and trusted in everything.
Yes, George, or Yegor, as I call him, is 27 years old. With his mother, by the way, not an actress, we were officially married. I'm already a grandfather. George has two small children: one is a year old, and the second has just been born. The son studies at the conservatory at the conducting faculty and achieves everything himself. Despite the fact that he has only one B, the scholarship is small - one and a half thousand rubles. Have to work hard. Yegor plays the clarinet: gives concerts, participates in competitions, and also takes students. Of course, I also help in any way I can.
- Do you keep in touch with your first wife?
I communicate more with children, and not with their mothers. For example, I sometimes ask Yegor for professional advice if I need something related to music at work.
And how did Poplavskaya feel about your communication with her eldest son? As I understand it, you left your first wife for her, because the difference between Yegor and Klim, whom Yana gave birth to, is only a year.
Yana behaved differently. When you create another family and babies appear there, a woman thinks only about her children. My sons have a really small age difference. The guys communicate, although not so often. And my youngest, Nikita, is 15 years old.
Grievances have accumulated
- According to Poplavskaya, your betrayal became the reason for the divorce. This is true?
I do not want to make excuses and refute all the stupidity that they wrote. When this lie fell on me, I thought only of one thing: why can't people part in a civilized way? I understand that a lot of grievances have accumulated, but this is not a reason to slander. You have to be honest, at least to yourself. You never know what happens in life. Yes, there is a lot of gossip about me. Here they chatted, as if I had an affair with a make-up artist. And nothing that she is already 60 years old?! Rave!
A few years ago, you claimed that your spouse is like your right hand. Like, it can't be cut off. It turns out they were lying?
What is it to discuss now that we are divorced? So, I was wrong. You can also cut off your hand. I'm not saying that my whole life with Yana was a nightmare. But what she said in her interviews is not all true. I'm tired of love, I want to take a break from it. The relationship between a man and a woman does not lend itself to any analysis.
They are impossible to predict, they make a person dependent, a slave to this love, but also happy as well. Anyway, I don't want to blame anyone. It is a pity that we were not able to maintain normal relations. That's just why - I do not know. In this situation, you need to think about the children first.
- Sons Klim and Nikita sided with Yana?
Of course, that's what their mother wants. Let them support her, and I will stand on my own. Klim is studying to be a director, I helped him. He worked with me as a second director, I gave him the opportunity to try. Watched from the side. Klim argued that I would not spend so much money with another.
No time to spin novels
- After a divorce from Yana, a woman appeared in your life?
While I live alone and from this I am absolutely happy. I enjoy not being dependent on anyone. All my life I owe something to someone, but now I don't. Sons want to talk - please come. After all, only animals will raise a cub and send it to adulthood without hesitation, and we, people, take care of it for a long time. It just happens, it’s not clear what happens from this. If the relationship between parents and children develops exclusively on the material level, then this is called use. I don't want this! Of course, if anything, always ready to help children.
How can a woman win you over?
You just need to match. Although it is more difficult to fall in love at 50 than at 20. Experience, the number of past mistakes and disappointments get in the way with age. Sexual attachment, attraction to the opposite sex is always important. I am not a rich man and not at all an enviable groom. Busy with work, I have no time to twist novels. That's when love collapses, then it will be seen. For example, when I met and fell in love with Yana, I did not expect this feeling. He was married, could not divorce for a long time. In a word, I got into a difficult situation. But I realized: love comes when another love leaves. When you idolize someone, it is impossible to love another. I don't cross out marriages, only fools do that. This is my life: at first it was one, now it is different. So, it's time for a change. Of course, divorce hurt loved ones. For example, my parents.
Need to grow hair
- You did not graduate from any educational institution, but this did not prevent you from making a good career.
I studied at GITIS on a course with Vasiliev And Efros. But I was called to the theater to Oleg Kiselev and I dropped out. They took me without a degree. So to speak, for talent. At Burkova And Ranevskaya There was also no vocational education. But in general, a diploma is now, of course, needed to start, so that you are given a chance to show yourself. In the beginning, I was an actor, I made a decent living from touring. I saved up per diems, bought, say, a tape recorder, then sold it and lived well.
You shot your first film "Fall Up" together with Alexander Strizhenov. Why was Yevgenia Kryukova chosen for the lead role?
Zhenya appeared at the last moment. She was recommended Katya Strizhenova. And I balked - I didn’t even want to look at it. I remember I saw Zhenya without makeup, she came from a workout from the gym, and thought: “Wow, beautiful!” And then she began to audition, and everyone understood: Kryukova would play this role.
- You are now one of the sought-after directors, you shoot only box office films ...
I don't think of myself that way. If the movie is successful, that's good. The past year turned out to be very eventful: “Love-carrot-3”, “Gangs”, “First attempt”. And soon the film "Odessa Story" will be shown on TV. Starring a young actor Evgeniy Tkachuk. We approved him for the main role along with Konstantin Ernst decided to take a risk. Jenny did an excellent job. Now not only beautiful artists are needed, but also professionals. An example of this is . I am glad that after our film "And yet I love" her career went up.
- You have an interesting hairstyle. The same as Fyodor Bondarchuk's.
Hair extensions, I also think about it. According to my friend - a plastic surgeon, abroad it is in the order of things. If you want to stay in the profession, you have to take care of yourself. The desire of a person to be young, beautiful and stylish stimulates him to exploits.
Port wine, guitars, hiking, girls
For some reason, Sergei GINZBURG is rarely nostalgic for his youth. And there is something to remember. For example, how he went hiking with classmates, played rugby and tore off his lower back and surprised teachers by reciting bold poems.
Wonderful guy Seryoga! It was always fun with him, - the director's classmate smiles Yurula Litfullin. - In the eighth grade, they started playing rugby with him in the Slava team of the Second Moscow Watch Factory. Until the age of 17, Sergei went there, and then tore off his lower back and went to the theater studio of folk art at the Builders Club. Actor's vein Ginzburg has always been. He impressed teachers with his excellent poetry reading. He recited so heartfelt that our classy ladies were in tears. The girls also loved Seryozha. We are going to someone, we call our girlfriends, and they all revolve around Ginzburg. It's a shame, but objectively - he was a prominent guy.
It was funny to celebrate Seregino's 17th birthday. We celebrated at the apartment of his father - he lived separately with his mother and provided us with living space for the evening. We bought port wine and wanted to prepare mulled wine before the girls came to treat them. But it turned out something incomprehensible, and the girlfriends did not come. In general, we got drunk of this strange compote, having a cake, took the guitars and went for a walk ...
Having lived for 25 years in a marriage with director Sergei Ginzburg, in 2011 the star of the Soviet film "About Little Red Riding Hood" Yana Poplavskaya was left alone, but two years ago the actress found a new love in the face of radio host Evgeny Yakovlev, who is 12 years younger than her. Now the couple is preparing for the wedding, which she spoke about in one of her last interviews.
Yana and Eugene, as it turned out, met on the radio. Moreover, their meeting took place 11 years ago, but then both Poplavskaya and Yakovlev were in official relations.
We said hello. Yana was married, I am married. I got divorced two and a half years ago. Since then, Yana and I have been together. If anything - divorced not because of her! There were other reasons.
Poplavskaya prefers not to talk about her personal life, sharing only some general details:
Everything happened by itself, naturally. I don't want to go into details. This is our personal life. I was very lucky with Zhenya.
From a previous relationship, Poplavskaya left two sons - 32-year-old Klim and 21-year-old Nikita. The celebrity divorced Ginzburg because of his betrayal, which she did not hide from the press, stating:
I don't want to continue in a disabled relationship and live a lie, and I don't want my children to have such an example before their eyes.
By the way, Yakovlev also has a child - a 5-year-old daughter, who, according to him, quite often spends time with him, Yana and her youngest son:
The eldest son of Yana lives separately with his family. And the younger Nikita is with us. I'm taking my daughter with us this weekend.
When asked if they want common children, Yakovlev answered “yes”.
As for the age difference (Poplavskaya celebrated her 50th birthday yesterday, Yakovlev - 38), she does not bother either Yana or Evgeny.
For us, the age difference does not matter,
- said the radio host, who noted that he and his chosen one plan to legalize their relationship:
We will definitely! A bit later. I am for marriage registration. And Yana too. We are planning a beautiful wedding celebration, we just need to get ready. But this is a settled issue. And there will be a honeymoon too. I love making surprises.
In the meantime, congratulations to Yana Poplavskaya on the past anniversary!
Since childhood, we remember our favorite movie characters. Without a doubt, the brave and kind Little Red Riding Hood from her favorite fairy tale can be attributed to them. The leading lady not only did not disappear from the TV screens, but even now she continues to delight the audience with new roles and works on television.
Biography
Yana Poplavskaya was born on June 28, 1967 in Moscow. The family lived in a communal apartment, my mother was a famous actress of Soviet cinema and theater. At the age of 4, she was on the set. The legendary Rolan Bykov approached her and offered the role. The girl categorically said: “No!” The actress recalls her childhood years with irony.
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She was considered very ugly, made friends mainly with boys. The behavior was unbearable, for which the schoolgirl was more than once wanted to be expelled. But this did not upset Poplavskaya. Instead of experiences, she enjoyed freedom and attended all the sessions at the cinema.
When Yana Poplavskaya was 6 years old, the shooting of the famous painting “Remember Your Name” began. She was offered to play the role of a boy, but the girl was again adamant. The first full-fledged debut took place at the Taganka Theater. Director Lyubimov saw a special texture in the girl and invited her to a role in the production of "Crossroads".
After successful work in the play Lyubimov, Yana Poplavskaya played in several episodes of Yeralash. This was followed by work in Vesnukhin's Fantasies, where the young talent perfectly played the harmful and annoying girlfriend of the protagonist.
But at school, the little actress continued to be subjected to offensive insults. She was called the ugly duckling, the frog. In adolescence, everyone wants to be beautiful, and Poplavskaya was no exception. The girl's grief was easily soothed by her mother, who claimed that she would be able to wipe everyone's nose if she continued her acting career.
During the casting for the main role in the legendary film Little Red Riding Hood, director Nechaev was looking for a teenage girl who could easily cope with work surrounded by cameras. During the year he could not find a suitable candidate. But he was told from all sides: Yana is the best candidate for the role. During the screen test, the girl read a light poem "About Horton the Elephant." The performance was so successful that the director immediately agreed to work with the young artist.
In the film, Yana worked with such personalities as Rina Zelenaya, Vladimir Basov, Nikolai Trofimov. The adult actress and experienced TV presenter remembers these days with warmth.
According to her, the actors of those years had a special skill, they treated their little colleague with great respect. And Rolan Bykov, who played the hunter, was always nearby and gave valuable advice. After the release of the picture, the young actress began to be recognized on the streets, asking for autographs. The role brought national fame to the gifted girl.
It is worth noting that the picture was doomed to success because of the original production. The director was able to combine comic and philosophical moments in a film for children. Reflections of the wolf, the hunter, the adventures of Little Red Riding Hood were radically different from the main plot. This is what attracted millions of not only children, but also adults to TV screens.
After the success in the fairy-tale film, the already well-known actress was invited to other roles. The adult audience remembers very well the work in the film "Vanity of Vanities", "Accept the Telegram", in the film of the Moldavian director Ion Scutelnik "Transitional Age". Of course, the little actress began to be attracted to conduct popular children's programs - "Alarm Clock", "ABVGDeika", etc. But Yana Poplavskaya was in no hurry with choosing a profession. She was engaged in rhythmic gymnastics for a long time, received the status of a candidate for master of sports. Poplavskaya also dreamed of becoming a doctor and a journalist.
But cinema intervened again. Director Gleb Panfilov started filming the film "Vassa Zheleznova", and Yana Poplavskaya was offered the role of the daughter of the main character. On the set, she was surrounded by the luminaries of Soviet cinema - Inna Churikova, Vadim Medvedev, Olga Mashnaya, Albert Filozov and others. After successful filming, the young actress already knew what to devote her life to. After graduating from school, she entered the Shchukin school, in the class of Katina-Yartsev. Then she began working at Sovremennik, at the same time broadcasting on TV. Now Yana Evgenievna is a successful film and theater actress and a favorite host of popular programs.
Personal life
While studying at Pike, the future actress met Sergei Ginzburg and began performing with him on the stage of the Theater of Plastic Improvisation. Having embodied a married couple on the stage, the young fell in love with each other and got married.
Poplavskaya gave birth to two boys - Klim and Nikita, marital happiness lasted 25 years. But in 2011, Ginzburg left the family. Yana continues to work on TV and is in no hurry to enter into a new marriage. She brings up boys and feels like an absolutely happy woman.
Little Red Riding Hood made her the most famous girl in the USSR. And then Yana Poplavskaya disappeared from the screens for many years. All due to the fact that she found a new role for herself - fairies, but not in the cinema, but for a capricious husband.
Yana came up with the image of her future husband long ago: smart, talented, caring, understanding ... And then, like a shirt, she put this image on literally the first person she met. It turned out to be Sergei Ginzburg, with whom they starred in a video together. Parents, friends, classmates, colleagues were surprised: how did he manage to hook Yanochka? He's from a completely different test.
From an incomplete, very poor family - he was raised by a single mother who worked at the post office as a letter sorter. They didn’t take him to the theater, he never received a good education. He worked as a fitter in the theater, as a hobby he participated in pantomime. But for Yana Poplavskaya, he was the smartest, most talented, most desirable.
She defended her lover with foam at the mouth and proved to her parents that he was her happiness. It took her ten years of self-deception, and then it took another fifteen to free herself from the trap into which she had driven herself voluntarily.
Yana Poplavskaya - biography: childhood dream
Yanochka was brought to the cinema not by her mother, as gossip claimed, but by fate itself.
Yana Poplavskaya was born on June 28, 1967, in Moscow in the family of a journalist and actress, and from the age of four, her “second dad” was engaged in her upbringing - stepfather Vladimir Alexandrov, director of children's television. Of course, in the film "About Little Red Riding Hood" the main role went to ten-year-old Yana Poplavskaya not by chance. But now we know: not a single girl in the entire USSR would have coped with it better.
General attention, an impressive fee, thousands of letters from fans and even the State Prize - nothing changed Yana's character. No star illness appeared in her biography, but all because of the strict upbringing of her parents. They were gifted, intelligent and modest people.
They huddled in a room in a communal apartment, but on the Garden Ring, in the neighborhood - the famous Obraztsov Puppet Theater, on the contrary - an English special school, where Yan was sent to study at the age of six. She was a difficult child with a difficult, hooligan character - this is how her childhood biography could be characterized. Not a girl - fire! Either he will run away from the lessons, or he will persuade the boys to file the legs of the teacher's chair.
And the parents had no time to go to talk with the director - both were busy working part-time, trying to somehow make ends meet. But at home, a strict Georgian grandmother kept Yana in check. The girl was brought up according to Caucasian traditions as an ideal wife: adults can’t argue, the housekeeping is perfect.
From the age of six, Yana set the table and helped with the housework. She knew how to knit, sew, embroider. And her dreams were not about an acting career, but about her beloved husband, a strong family and at least three children.
Yana Poplavskaya - the personal life of the actress: Fairy without wings
Poplavskaya's personal life began without a wedding. There was no wedding. Yana and Sergey began to live together, their son Klim was born. They could not legitimize their relationship, because, unexpectedly for everyone, it turned out: Sergey is officially married, he already has a son. And Yana pretended that formalities did not matter to her, because the main thing in their personal life was their feelings.
A few years later, Ginzburg nevertheless received a divorce and took Poplavskaya to the registry office. They lived modestly, rarely saw each other: Yana studied at the theater and was busy filming, Sergey often flew away on tour with the theater. The actress did not make any claims to her husband: she can’t hammer a nail - we’ll call the master, she doesn’t take care of her son - he doesn’t have time, he doesn’t bring money to the house - it doesn’t matter, I’ll find a part-time job myself.
She worked at several jobs, took on everything that was offered, so long as her loved ones had everything they needed. There was no money left for herself - therefore she went even in frosts in old autumn boots. I got a cold, fell asleep. And then her husband came to his senses: he could be left without a fairy that fulfills all his desires. He took out medicines, sat next to Yana, held her hand and said beautiful words that they were made for each other.
Poplavskaya recovered from her illness and again took over the functions of a locomotive. She had little contact with her mother-in-law: she knew that she did not like her. For what? Every month, Yana sent food, money, medicines for her through Sergey. One day, my mother-in-law called and complained that she was being evicted from a one-room apartment in the center to the outskirts (“Oh, she is so attached to this area!”).
Yana, through acquaintances, secured a “kopeck piece” for her in the neighborhood - and even paid extra for it out of her own pocket. Those who knew her said in her eyes: “Holy!”, And behind her back they whispered: “Fool!”. Yana did not expect any words of gratitude from her mother-in-law and husband. They asked and asked - she fulfilled and fulfilled.
But when Sergey conveyed his mother's complaints that the new apartment did not suit her - the top floor and the energy was bad, tears welled up in Yana's eyes. Friends helped to solve their own housing problem: they turned to the authorities, telling them in what conditions the “Soviet Little Red Riding Hood” lives. They were given a three.
Yana always dreamed that there would be many children in her family personal life. And now she is pregnant for the second time. Waiting for a daughter. But a misfortune happened: in the long term of pregnancy, the child's heart stopped. Yana was hysterical. The final blow was the verdict of the doctors: she would no longer be able to have children. The actress locked herself in her apartment and sat on the couch for several days, staring at one point - she didn’t eat, she didn’t drink.
I didn't want to live. Instead of supporting his wife, Sergei spent days in the garage, as if he didn’t care. And then Yana saw the light: next to her is an insensitive egoist! In response to reproaches, Ginzburg said that he was going through more than Yana, he was simply not accustomed to show feelings from childhood. Again, she chose to trust her husband. Time passed, and thoughts about the unborn daughter did not leave the actress’s head.
She imagined how she rolls the baby in a stroller, puts her to bed, feeds her, celebrates her first birthday ... Yana realized that she was going crazy. She felt bad, lost consciousness. A friend advised me to take a pregnancy test - Poplavskaya grinned, but obeyed. And - oh, a miracle! The answer is yes. Yana has never been so happy! But the pregnancy turned out to be difficult - frequent bleeding, the risk of losing a child.
When, at the eighth month, the ambulance once again took her to the hospital, she heard terrible news: her baby's heart stopped. Without thinking for a second, Yana screamed: “Cut me, but save the child!” Fortunately, the son was saved - it was a tiny lump of two kilograms in weight.
He needed special care, special preparations, and even when the threat to life was over, Yana could not rest: Nikita cried all the time, hardly slept at night. Sergey could not stand such a situation in the house and disappeared "at work", although he still did not bring money. Soon, Yana had to take over the functions of the earner again. But the way to the screen is ordered for her: during the pregnancy she recovered by thirty kilograms, she will not be taken anywhere.
Again depression. The way out of it was a scandal with her husband, who shouted: “Look at yourself, you have become a fat cow!” And Yana decided on fashionable diet pills that undermined her already poor health. But the result was achieved - she is again slim, beautiful, successful. And then the mother-in-law with a new request: her common-law husband needs to “make” a bigger apartment. And Yana helped, and forgave her husband - once again ...
Yana Poplavskaya - insight
Once Ginzburg once again had a creative depression. Yana spent hours telling him how brilliant and talented he was. And she herself called friends, raised contacts: she was looking for a script, a room for filming, actors. She persuaded her husband to try himself as a director, bought him a ticket to the best sanatorium, so that nothing would distract him from the creative process.
With the success of the projects that Yana promoted, Sergey's character changed. He suddenly became important, arrogant, acquired new habits: drinking only the most expensive cognac and smoking high-class cigars. Then he began to humiliate his wife: they say, you just played one role in childhood, but I ... “Go crazy!” - Yana thought and endured. Wrong.
When Yana arrived at the next shooting of her husband, she was surprised by one oddity - the whole group is reluctant to communicate with her, lowers her eyes. The truth soon came out: the husband had an office romance with a young actress.
Somehow, the news didn't hurt. It just became disgusting - as if it had stepped into the mud. Yana had long understood that they no longer had a family, but she continued to deceive herself. And Sergei probably walked to the left before. It's good that everything is clear now.
Returning home, Yana packed her things and put her husband out. He begged her to change her mind, swore that he loved only her alone. And when I realized that this time it would be impossible to put pressure on pity, I began to threaten. He demanded to share the apartment, took all the family savings set aside for the education of his eldest son. Left alone, without a penny, forced to borrow money from friends, Yana still felt relieved.
Behind twenty-five years of marriage - complete self-deception, when she tore her nerves, veins for the sake of a man who used her all her life. Of course, there were moments of real happiness, but they are in the past. Her main wealth is her sons. She is only 48, she is in great shape, full of creative plans, strength and hope for the future.
Now in the personal life of Yana Poplavskaya a new lover has appeared - fortunately, not from the world of show business. But Yana is in no hurry to introduce him to the public and talk about marriage - she needs time to check if he is real. After all, once you get burned in milk, you have to blow on the water ...
It can be said with confidence: whoever did not see the amazing Soviet children's philosophical film “About the Little Red Riding Hood” in childhood, lost a lot. A cinematic biography of Yana Poplavskaya, a famous Russian actress and TV presenter, in fact, began precisely with the role of Little Red Riding Hood. Young Yana even won the State Prize of the Soviet Union for this role in 1978.
Biography of Yana Poplavskaya: childhood
A girl was born on June 28, 1967 in Moscow in a family of creative people - actress Evgenia Yuryevna (Georgian roots) and journalist Evgeny Vasilyevich (Jewish). As a child, she was a terrible hooligan, she was friends only with boys, she loved to triple all sorts of disgrace at school, for which her parents often had to blush.
The future actress and TV presenter always dreamed of becoming a neurosurgeon, and precisely because her grandmother, who herself was a physician, said that there were very, very few female neurosurgeons. Yana often came to her grandmother and watched her do her work. Once, a young surgeon even performed an operation herself - she sewed a hamster's ear, which was torn off by a cat, and it took root perfectly. But the dream was not destined to come true, acting genes still won.
Biography of Yana Poplavskaya: film debut
Together with her mother, Yana was on the set at the age of 4, but the wayward girl did not want to act. For the film "Remember Your Name", when Poplavskaya was 6 years old, director Kolosov was looking for an actor to play the role of a boy. He invited Yana to play, but she categorically refused, saying that she only wanted a girl. The director agreed, but during editing the episode with Poplavskaya was cut out, the girl did not see herself at the premiere and was very upset.
Her debut as an actress took place when Yana was 10 years old. At that time, her mother worked at the Taganka Theater, and the girl played a role in the play "Crossroads". But real success came to her with "Little Red Riding Hood", this is the first bright event that contains the cinematic biography of Yana Poplavskaya.
The director of the film was looking for an actress for the main role for more than a year, and all this time he was advised to film screen tests with Poplavskaya, but after looking at the photographs of the girl, he refused. And only finally despairing, he nevertheless agreed. When the girl finished her "opening" performance, he grabbed her in his arms, began to circle with the words: "Finally, I found you!" After the premiere of the film, real fame fell upon the young actress. The whole country learned about who Yana Poplavskaya is.
Biography: personal life
The actress married an actor at the age of 17. But after 25 years of family life, they separated. Poplavskaya has two sons - Klim and Nikita. “I don’t see the point in maintaining disabled relationships and calling them a family,” Yana Poplavskaya said about it. The children now live with her.
Little Red Riding Hood today
Poplavskaya's arsenal includes more than 15 film roles, successful work on the theater stage. Now she works as a teacher at the Ostankino Higher School of Cinema and Television and at the Faculty of Journalism at Moscow State University, as well as Yana Poplavskaya, a successful radio and TV presenter.