Is it possible to read prayers to the unbaptized. Prayer for the dead unbaptized people

Baptism gives a "plug" (albeit a truncated one, compared to the so-called "grace" of a priest, and with little authority) to access the energy of a Christian egregor, so the prayer of a person who has gone through the ritual (in the terminology of Christianity - the sacrament) of baptism is much more effective.
But, nevertheless, an unbaptized person can pray. If strong energy and a correctly formed thought-form of intention - you will get the result. But in general, it is better to use the services of a specially trained magician-operator in this tradition (called a "priest" in the terminology of Christianity) - for example, order magpies in several temples, for the task that you need. Working out will be of better quality, the result will be “cleaner” and faster.

God has nothing to do with church rituals and actions.

P.S. I do not want to offend the canonical followers of Christian denominations. Personal…

Question:

Please tell me how the Church treats the fact that an unbaptized person is present at the service and overshadows himself sign of the cross? What should I do if I know that such a person is standing next to me?

Hieromonk Job (Gumerov) answers:

We must rejoice and thank God that He brought him to the temple. Such people in the ancient Church were called catechumens. The catechumens were divided into three grades. The first degree consisted of those who listened, that is, those who declared their desire to join the Church and received the right to enter the church to hear St. Scriptures and teachings. The catechumens of the second degree, crouching or kneeling, had the right to be present in the temple during the entire liturgy of the catechumens. The third degree of catechumens consisted of those who demanded, i.e., those who were ready to receive the sacrament of baptism. They were told the most important part Christian doctrine- about Holy Trinity, about the Church, etc. Before Holy Pascha, those who wished to be baptized entered their names on the list of those being baptized, ...

I do not believe that in a Latin church, if when ordering a funeral mass you say that the deceased has not been baptized, the mass will be served. And if a person conceals this fact, he will commit a sin.

I suppose that they may not be asked (in Orthodox churches also, not everyone is interrogated at all, whether he was baptized or not, in our church all the notes are put in a common box, behind which there is no one and there is no one to interrogate, so theoretically you can file anyone in the same way), but it is assumed that the person himself knows .

I have a sample of many cities in Russia and nowhere do Fathers allow prayers within the walls of the temple for the unbaptized, for the Catholic
x and so on, whether they are dead or not. Moreover, those who pray sin. Here is what the priests of the Russian Orthodox Church say.

Please list all the churches in which you asked the abbots about this and you were told what you are saying here?

Question under item 1: i.e., if a person, out of ignorance (or on purpose), submits a note about an unbaptized person for a liturgy or prayer service, then the priest will read it anyway, but this will not have any power. So?
It follows that God will consciously remain deaf to the mention of the name of his creation during the liturgy. So?

No. Rough Example. Only those who are connected to the Internet can access the Internet. The rest, they open IE 10 or 50 times, they still won't be able to go to the Internet. And the reason is not that the provider is evil. On the contrary, he (the provider) is glad to everyone.

...So why then, say, in Christian temple Is it possible to pray for the health of a Muslim?

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"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good" (Rom. 12:21).

“Heretical teachings that disagree with what we have accepted should be cursed and unholy dogmas should be denounced, but people should be spared in every possible way and pray for their salvation”
St. John Chrysostom, "The Word of the Curse".

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This question arose after reading Sysoev's book on preparation for baptism. It's not clear where...

from 1 to 150, depending not on the problem, but on the state of mind of the listener ... reading (singing) at the moment of psalmody.
For example, it happened to me this way (the audio recording of the psalms was put into folders like this):
1. Thanksgiving:
15,17,20,29,32,33,39,61,62,91,95,97,99,102,107,112,116,117,121,133,135,137,144,145,146,148,149,150.

2. Support:
1,2,11,14,19,22,26,27,36,41,42,48,55,72,83,90,94,111,114,119,120,123,124,126,127,143,147.

3. In grief:
3,5,6,7,12,21,34,38,68,76,101,108,136,141,142.

4. My vows:
100,115,118.

5. Appeal to God:
4,16,25,31,40,53,54,56,60,66,69,70,73,78,79,84,85,87,89,122,129,130,140.

6. about the wicked:
13,35,51,52,57,58,63,82,93,128,139.

7. Conversion of God:
49,77,80,81,109.

8. about the works of God:
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How to pray for the unbaptized?

Good afternoon, our dear visitors!

Is it possible to pray for unbaptized people and light candles for them? And in prayer, first read for the repose of the baptized, then not baptized, or all together the names? And how to call not baptized? In prayer - a servant of God or not?

Priest Konstantin Parkhomenko answers this question:

“Strictly speaking, there is an ancient rule: “do not pray for unbaptized people in the temple.” It means a vowel, aloud commemoration.

But we can read the commemoration book to ourselves during the memorial service. But during the Liturgy, it is generally impossible to pray for the unbaptized, neither out loud, nor even to oneself, because at this time the bloodless Eucharistic Sacrifice is offered, and it is offered only for members of the Church.

We can always pray for the unbaptized at home, light a candle, read an akathist for the one who died. An unbaptized deceased can be called a "servant of God."

First, you can commemorate Orthodox Christians, then: “Remember, Merciful and Merciful Lord, in Your Kingdom dear Catholic brothers (I remember Catholics) and our Protestant brothers who have apostatized from the fullness of the truth (I remember Protestants). Accept the prayer of me, unworthy, and for people dear to us who were not honored, due to their own stupidity or due to the circumstances of holy baptism in general (I remember the unbaptized).

But such a remembrance is again allowed during a memorial service, to oneself, and never at the Liturgy. In an exceptional, separate case, there may be a public commemoration of an unbaptized person at a memorial service, but all these cases must be considered separately.

To the entry “How to pray for the unbaptized?” 18 comments left.

Hello! My nephew has not yet been baptized, the boy is already 6 years old. His father, my brother, is baptized, but his mother is not, they don’t go to church at all ... I really want to pray for my nephew so that he is healthy, happy, he is a kind, good boy, he would have a guardian angel, but with him it is useless to talk about this topic with your mother ... How to pray for your nephew? Thank you for your reply.

You can pray for your nephew in home prayers, remember his name when you read the Akathist, the Psalter, the Gospel, in the morning rule.

Peace and God bless you!

God save you, Father Dmitry!

Hello. On May 2, my brother and I buried our dad, who died suddenly. During his lifetime, he was unbaptized and called himself an atheist. How can you pray for him? Thank you for your reply.

You can pray for your dad only in your home prayers, you can read the Psalter and the canon about the one who died for him, and I also advise you to do good deeds for him.

I ordered for the repose 2 times, and then I found out that this person was not baptized, what will happen to me for this?

You won't get anything for it. You did not know that he was not baptized, you wanted the best. Do not worry.

I apologize for not being a modest question. And what will happen to the deceased for whom I ordered for the rest?

There will be nothing. After all, only God knows. We do not know.

As I understand it, not knowing the law (especially God's) does not exempt from responsibility.

You can go to Confession and repent of what you have done if you feel guilty.

Talked to Father. The guilt remains.

We told you our opinion - it did not suit you. Sorry, we can't help you any further.

Hello. A person close to me recently died only daughter. She was unbaptized. She was only twenty years old. I think she would definitely have come to God, but she didn’t have time ... Soon 40 days. Unfortunately, her father took off his cross, he despaired and lost faith. I promised him that even if it was impossible officially, and from the information I looked through, I realized that it was impossible, I myself would pray for her that day. She promised that his daughter would not be left without prayers. Please tell me, can I go to church that day and pray to myself? Is there anything I can do.

Yes, you can pray silently. You can’t submit notes about her repose, but in your own words you can pray. You can add doing good deeds to your prayers. It is very important.

Peace be upon you and God's blessing!

Hello. I am not baptized, I can ask you to write a “plea” to you, thank you in advance.

Yes, you can order a Moleben for yourself, since all people, both baptized and unbaptized, are commemorated at this service.

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Prayer for the health of an unbaptized person

In the Book of Sirach, it is not a commandment, in the full sense of the word, but an instruction. Through the consideration of something not useful, sensual temptation can also come, and the latter is fraught with a fall into sin. Jesus son of Sirach is here and warns about it.

The interests you listed are not sinful.

Four years ago I terminated my pregnancy, I came to faith recently and now I understand what I have done grave sin Now the thought of it haunts me. I am very sorry for what I did. Help, tell me how to atone for this sin, what should I do, how to beg forgiveness from the Lord. I have no one else to turn to. Thanks.

First of all, confession is needed. God help!

Is it possible to give the priest a piece of paper with written down sins at confession, or is it necessary to tell about them yourself?

Is it possible to pray in church for the health of unbaptized people?

Of course, you can pray in church for unbaptized people. If it was impossible, then it would no longer be a church, but a sect. And after all, not every baptized person is bright, and not everyone who is not baptized is bad. And everyone is equal before God. In addition, it is possible to pray for a person’s health (whether he is baptized or not) in addition to the church, for example, at home, or in a secluded place in nature. The effect of your prayer will be no less than if you prayed in church. And the effect will be necessarily positive and effective, because you have already expressed a prayer by asking a question here, in your soul, sincerely and with faith.

Very strange, several answers were given to me, and all are not correct.

Alas, in the church you cannot pray and submit notes about the unbaptized, about suicides and people of a different faith.

The Church does not forbid praying for such people at home, remembering them in home prayer can.

The Church does nothing by force, and if a person does not want to be baptized, does not want grace from God, then this is his free choice.

If you still start putting candles in the church, praying and submitting notes for the baptized, then you will commit the sin of self-will.

You still won’t help a person, but you will take a sin on your soul.

Any priest will tell you that.

Faith is the good will of everyone, no one is forced to believe anyone.

The Lord comes only through open gates, only with our consent.

Therefore, unbaptized people are people, for some reason unwilling to be baptized, that is, those who do not accept Orthodoxy. And they have their own reasons for this.

Pray for the unbaptized or apostates from the faith, no one does not prohibit.In the church, even the first half service in progress both for the baptized and for the unbaptized.

And when the priest says

But you can pray for unbaptized people with your prayer, at home or in church. We leave this case to the will of God, it is up to him to decide whether to accept our prayers or not, and we do what we can, we do, to save the lost souls of the living and the dead.

Maybe through these prayers they will gain desire to be with God.

It is impossible to order for the health of unbaptized people, to light candles for them, this is the privilege of those who have gained faith.

Once I went to the church to light candles for the repose of my relatives who had gone to the Other World. But after all, it’s a sin not to put a candle for the health of living relatives.

I bought candles, prayed, put them on, for the dead - here, for the living - there. Of course, there are people in my family who have never been baptized. What now - do not wish them health? The soul of a person loves everyone, whether he is baptized or not. And pray for everyone!

Another thing is another situation.

Once I had to go to church to order prayers for the health of some of my loved ones. A woman selling in a church shop gave me a piece of paper and a pen, and ordered me to write on it the names of the people whom the priest will remember in his prayers and ask the Almighty for them health. The woman warned that it is necessary to write the names of only baptized people.

How is that? Why doesn't the church pray for the unbaptized? But why aren't we personally forbidden to pray for such people? Double question, double answer, but the meaning is not clear.

Yes, in the church you can also pray for the unbaptized, and no one can forbid a person to do this, because prayer to the Almighty for the health of one's neighbor is the essence of what a person wishes his neighbor to be healthy, healed, and the fact that he is not baptized is in more important to the church.

Would such a strong and pure prayer of a child for an unbaptized person not be pleasing to God?!

It is possible and necessary to pray, especially for the unbaptized. Prayer is a promise, a request. And if you pray for the health of all people on the planet, they are not all baptized.

Prayer for an unbaptized person

Today there is a lot of controversy about whether it is possible to pray for the unbaptized living. According to some statements, it is impossible to ask God for those, because, without being baptized, a person independently sets his own person against church canons, rejecting the Temple of God as a shrine. Others, on the contrary, say that it is possible to ask the Lord about the lost sheep.

Fortunately, in church sources there is a real prayer for the unbaptized living, which asks for the forgiveness of sinners, as well as the opportunity to turn them into the bosom of the church.

Judging by the abundance of reasoning of the clergy on this topic, as well as disputes that are still ongoing, we conclude that the question of whether it is possible to pray for the unbaptized can be answered in the following way: Of course you can, why not?

Prayers to the Holy Martyr Uar

You can read prayers for the unbaptized to saints who are trying to patronize them, trying to turn to the church. One of these saints to whom one can pray is the holy martyr Uar. During his lifetime (it is known that he died in 307 AD), Uar lived in Alexandria, being a military leader.

Then there was a ban on Christianity, which was trampled in every possible way by the pagans. When unfortunate Christians were caught and tortured, Ware tried in every possible way to provide assistance to fellow believers, bandaging their wounds, and also bringing food.

He also prayed for the unbaptized, asking them for the same protection from the Lord as for the rest of the creatures created by the Lord.

Saint Ouar voluntarily gave himself up to torture, praying for his executioners even at the moment when they tormented his body. Until now, they pray to him for the dead people, small children, as well as babies who died at birth.

The following widespread prayer for unbaptized people is known, addressed specifically to the martyr Huar.

Pray for bright souls

As mentioned above, the church is still arguing about whether it is worth praying for the unbaptized at all. Opinions differ, but most tend to believe that it is possible and even necessary to read prayers:

For newborn babies who have not yet had time to receive the Sacrament;
Children without baptism;
unborn babies;
Those who died unbaptized;
Living unbaptized.

Prayers will help to grant peace for the souls of all of the above. Besides, who said that it is impossible to instill sincere faith in the hearts of unbaptized people?

Everyone can pray!

Despite the many existing disputes, contradicting one another, any person should pray and can do it. It is more reasonable to assume that sincere faith should be only in the human soul. It doesn't matter what religion he belongs to by virtue of his own birth or beliefs - when he feels the need to ascend holy words, he must pray!

There is another theory, which, although somewhat pragmatic, is nevertheless not without common sense: the real God is in the soul of a person, and religion is only for those who have not been able to find him inside, and therefore are looking for outside.

Make your own decision whether you should pray if you are not baptized, or for those who are not baptized, and whether you attach importance to prayer services in general. If your heart is with God, he will definitely help.

Miraculous words: does prayer help the unbaptized in full description from all the sources we found.

Can an Orthodox Christian pray for the unbaptized, heretics, schismatics, suicides?

Last Sunday, October 9, we celebrated the feast day of the apostle of love, the holy evangelist and closest disciple of Christ, John the Theologian, who wrote such great words as “God is love” (1 John 4:8).

And the question posed in the title of the article, which is burning and acute for many of us (after all, we were born and raised in an atheistic Soviet state), directly concerns love.

And therefore, of course, you can pray for all people, including heretics, schismatics, and the unbaptized. But only at home private prayer.

It seems to me that the Lord himself gives us examples of prayer for the unbaptized, schismatics and heretics.

Let us recall the gospel verses: “But I say to you: love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven” (Matthew 5:44). And who persecuted and tortured Christians in the 1st century? Jews, Romans, pagans of various cults.

Let us also remember the sufferings of the Savior: “And when they came to the place called Skull, there they crucified Him and the evildoers, one on the right, and the other on left side. Jesus said: Father! forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing” (Luke 23:32–34). For whom was our Lord Jesus Christ praying at that moment? About Roman pagan soldiers who did not know that He is the Messiah.

The Pauline Epistles are also important: “So, first of all, I ask you to make prayers, petitions, intercessions, thanksgiving for all people, for kings and for all those in authority, so that we can lead a quiet and serene life in all piety and purity, for this is good and pleasing to our Savior God who wants all people to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim. 2:1-4). And let us note dear brothers and sisters, that it was a Epistle written by the holy apostle-God-seeer to the bishop (Paul ordained the holy apostle Timothy as bishop of the Ephesian Church) as a guide to action. Who were, for example, the kings or rulers mentioned here? If the entire ecumene (Greek: “inhabited land”) was 99 percent pagan, including kings and rulers. In addition, holy supreme apostle Paul brings out in 1 Timothy the truly divine, merciful idea that we Christians need to pray for all people, "that all . . . be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth." This means that we can and should pray for the admonition of heretics, theomachists, schismatics, the unbaptized, so that with the help of our love, our intensified prayer in our cells, our Lord Jesus Christ will admonish them and lead them to Orthodox faith.

After all, in morning prayers, in the expanded commemoration there is following words: “Those who have departed from the Orthodox faith and blinded by fatal heresies, with the light of Your knowledge, enlighten and honor Your Holy Apostles of the Cathedral Church.”

Let us also remember some of the lives of the saints. For example, the Monk Macarius of Egypt. When one day a skull of a pagan Egyptian priest spoke to him in the desert, who thanked the saint of God for praying for them in hell. His prayer by the grace of God eases their torment. In this example, we see the effectiveness and graceful help to people of such a prayer.

In the life of an older contemporary of the Monk Kuksha of Odessa, who is already close to us, there is such a case recorded from the lips of the saint himself: “On the road, I had absolutely nothing to eat (Father Kuksha rode after camp imprisonment for deportation. - Approx. auth.). A young Jewish woman was traveling with me in the same compartment - God save her little darling, with her 3-year-old son. She asked where I was going and if I was a priest, she said that her father, the rabbi, was also imprisoned. She fed me for three days all the way to Solikamsk and gave me some money with her. In the memoirs of the saint, we see a clear example of a prayer for the salvation of a young woman, quite possibly of the Jewish faith.

Also, St. Theodore the Studite says that one can pray at home for the above categories of people: “Unless everyone in his soul prays for such and does alms for them.”

His Holiness Patriarch Alexy II of Moscow and All Russia, in his report at the diocesan meeting of Moscow in 2003, said: “During the time of militant atheism in our country, many people grew up and died unbaptized, and their believing relatives want to pray for their repose. Such private prayer has never been forbidden. But in church prayer, at the service, we commemorate only the children of the Church who have joined her through the Sacrament of Holy Baptism. That is, in cell (home) prayer, you can pray for unbaptized people.

Following the quotation of His Holiness, we, with God's help, proceed to next question: "Is it possible to pray for the unbaptized, heretics and schismatics in the temple?" Answer: No.

Let us recall the definition of the Sacrament of Baptism... Baptism is the Sacrament in which the believer, when the body is immersed three times in water with the invocation of God the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, dies to a carnal, sinful life and is reborn from the Holy Spirit into a spiritual life. That is, Baptism is the spiritual birth of a person.

The Savior also tells us about this in a conversation with the holy righteous Nicodemus: “Jesus answered: Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit” (John 3:5, 6). An unbaptized person is still an old carnal person who has not been grafted into the vine of Christ, who has not become a part of His body - the Church of Christ. It is also the beginning of the Kingdom of God on earth. Therefore, of course, prayer in church for the unbaptized is impossible in any form. They are not part of the church body. In addition, the core church life is the Eucharist. But remember the service of the ancient apostolic church first centuries. Even catechumens (that is, unbaptized people who wish to be baptized) could not attend the Liturgy of the Faithful, where the transubstantiation of bread, wine, and water into the Body and Blood of Christ takes place. And near the doors they placed special church servants - paranomarius gatekeepers, so that no one except the faithful (baptized Orthodox) could enter the temple during the Sacrament of Communion.

The prohibition of church commemoration of the unbaptized, heretics, schismatics, pagans during church services is reflected in the canonical consciousness of the Church. First of all, these are several rules of Laodicean Local Council(c. 360): “It is not appropriate to pray with a heretic or a renegade” (Rule 33), “You should not accept holiday gifts sent from Jews or heretics, below celebrate with them” (Rule 37), “To the cemeteries of all heretics, or to the places of martyrdom so called by them, so that the church will not be allowed to go for prayer, or for healing. But those who walk, if they are faithful, be deprived of the fellowship of the Church for some time” (Rule 9).

And also the 5th Rule VII Ecumenical Cathedral: “There is a sin unto death, when some, sinning, remain uncorrected, and ... cruelly rise up for piety and truth ... in such people there is no Lord God, unless they humble themselves and become sober from their fall.”

In addition, from purely worldly considerations, I would like to say that an adult unbaptized person in our Orthodox country was not baptized either out of a firm atheistic, heretical, schismatic or pagan conviction, or out of special lazy negligence, neglect of his soul. Therefore, of course, he of his own free will excommunicated himself from the Eucharistic Cup and from fellowship in the bosom of the Church of Christ.

As for the babies who died unbaptized... Their parents would like to express their sincere and deep condolences. And with God's help, I would like to say that you, dear ones, do not despair and perceive this mournful, very difficult, no doubt, event of the loss of a beloved child as the will of God. After all, let's remember folk saying"God gave, God took." And the people are wise in their hearts. And if the Lord took your child to Himself, then He had His mysterious plans for this to arrange our salvation. Bow down under His great and holy will. “For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light” (Matthew 11:30). And if you accept this burden as the will of God, not despairing, but completely trusting in His inexpressible mercy, then it will indeed turn out to be light and will lead you to salvation. For your own children, who died unbaptized, pray in your home prayer, give alms for them (only so that you remember them, and not someone else). And believe that the Lord All-Merciful will arrange and arrange everything the best way.

There is a special mother's prayer for stillborn babies: “Lord, have mercy on my children who died in my womb, for my faith and my tears, for the sake of Your mercy. Lord, do not deprive them of Your Divine Light!”

I would also like to turn to obstetricians who take birth. If you believe in God and see, according to medical experience, already at birth, that a baby who has seen the world is still breathing, but will not live according to all signs, bring a bath or any other container of water, pour it three times on his head and say: “The servant of God (servant of God) (name) is baptized in the name of the Father, amen. And the Son, amen. And the Holy Spirit, amen. Now and forever, and forever and ever, amen.” If possible, then at each proclamation, lower the child three times when pouring and raise him after. This is a symbol of the death of the old man and the resurrection-renewal of the new - spiritual. This rite it will take you less than a minute, and the human soul will be saved and prepared for eternal life. If such a child dies, then he will be considered baptized Orthodox Christian for which you can pray in the temple. If he survives, then you need to call the priest, and he will make up for everything necessary at Baptism, perform the Sacrament of Confirmation, etc. In addition, clergy often take care of maternity hospitals. And they can be contacted through doctors in order to baptize him for the sake of fear of a mortal (that is, in a serious illness of a newborn baby).

As for heretics, schismatics and pagans, you can also pray for them at home, in private, so that the Lord will lead them to salvation. In the church, on the basis of the above council rules, it is impossible. Moreover, God does not want to violate the free will of man. If he is a heretic and a schismatic or a pagan in the Orthodox country of Ukraine (unless he is a child brought up in this), then he himself voluntarily excommunicated himself from Orthodox Church and according to his convictions does not want to belong to Her. Do we have the right to forcibly drag him to the temple? You won't be forced to be nice. He himself had already sinned grievously in his heart and excommunicated himself from the Church by not believing in Her dogmas or deliberately distorting them. Let us remember the many healings of the Lord and God and our Savior Jesus Christ. What did He require of people as the only condition for healing? Faith. "Do you believe that I can do it?" the Lord asks. And in Nazareth, Christ did not work many miracles and healings because of their unbelief, as it is said in the Gospel (Matthew 13:53-58).

No faith, no salvation. At least not yet for these people.

Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, let us not lead either ourselves or the priest into sin. If such a person is already inscribed in your commemorative book, then put in front of his name (for example, nekr., i.e. "unbaptized", or "went into a sect", "went into schism", "baptized in Catholicism" etc.), so that the priest knows what to do in such cases.

Notes on the repose of suicides are also not worth applying for service in the temple. These people voluntarily took their own life - the most precious gift of God to us - and thereby voluntarily rejected the Lord. In addition, in the rite of prayerful consolation of relatives who voluntarily died his stomach, approved by the decision of the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church of July 27, 2011, there are the following words: communication with God. The validity of this rule is confirmed by the spiritual experience of the ascetics, who, daring to pray for suicides, experienced irresistible heaviness and demonic temptations.

You can ask the priest in the temple to perform the aforementioned service not for a suicide, but for the comfort of relatives. It should not be confused with the Order of the Orthodox burial. It's more like a prayer for the living.

If there is information (certificate from a doctor) about the mental illness of a suicide, then you can go to the Ruling Bishop of your diocese and ask him for blessings on absentee funeral service. But even after him, it is impossible to commemorate a suicide in temples.

But in home prayer, you can pray for a person who has committed suicide. Only for this, as, indeed, for prayer for the unbaptized, heretics, pagans, schismatics, you need to take a blessing from the confessor or from another priest.

That's pretty short prayer Rev. Leo of Optina: “Search, Lord, for the lost soul of Your servant (name): if it is possible to eat, have mercy. Your destinies are unsearchable. Do not put me in sin with this prayer of mine, but may Thy holy will be done. Or spiritual work Metropolitan Veniamin (Fedchenkov) "Canon on the self-willed life of those who died."

Separately, I would like to say about the holy martyr Uare, whose memory the Church celebrates on November 1 according to the new style. There was an opinion in society that he could pray for unbaptized people. Perhaps it arose on the basis of that place from the life, when the pious woman Cleopatra from Palestine laid his holy relics in the tomb with her ancestors. But nowhere in the life is it said that these ancestors were not Christians or were pagans. But in Russia there is still a tradition to pray to the holy martyr Uar for unbaptized people. It does not quite correspond to the church canonical. Here is how His Holiness Patriarch Alexy II of Moscow and All Russia speaks about this in his report mentioned in this article: Holy Baptism or to be a member of the Church, it is enough just to pray to the martyr Huar. Such an attitude towards the veneration of the holy martyr Uar is unacceptable and contradicts our church doctrine.”

Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, let us carefully study the Scriptures, the canons of the Church and, with God's help, fill our hearts with love for all people and obedience to the Mother Church, Whose Head is Christ. This is the only saving path for us.

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Prayer for an unbaptized person

Fortunately, in church sources there is a real prayer for the unbaptized living, which asks for the forgiveness of sinners, as well as the opportunity to turn them into the bosom of the church.

Judging by the abundance of discussions of the clergy on this topic, as well as the disputes that are still ongoing, we conclude that the question of whether it is possible to pray for the unbaptized can be answered as follows: of course it is possible, why not?

Prayers to the Holy Martyr Uar

He also prayed for the unbaptized, asking them for the same protection from the Lord as for the rest of the creatures created by the Lord.

The following widespread prayer for unbaptized people is known, addressed specifically to the martyr Huar.

Pray for bright souls

For newborn babies who have not yet had time to receive the Sacrament;
Children without baptism;
unborn babies;
Those who died unbaptized;
Living unbaptized.

Prayers will help to grant peace for the souls of all of the above. Besides, who said that it is impossible to instill sincere faith in the hearts of unbaptized people?

Everyone can pray!

There is another theory, which, although somewhat pragmatic, is nevertheless not devoid of common sense: the real God is in the human soul, and religion is only for those who have not been able to find him inside, and therefore look outside.

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Good afternoon. I have 2 questions (similar). 1) Is it possible to mention suicides in the morning home prayer? 2) Is it possible to mention in the morning home prayer those who may not have been baptized (no one knows if he was baptized, but he, they say, always liked to draw crosses and loved God, I did not know him, he died more than 20 years ago, as a young man, his wife took the liberty of singing it)?

Stanislav

Hello Stanislav. At home, you can commemorate anyone and in any way, but do not forget the warning of the Apostle - everything is permissible, but not everything is good. Pray for those you personally know or have known. Mostly for those who asked you about it, or you offered, and he agreed. Respect individual freedom.

Priest Alexander Beloslyudov

Hello! Mom says that I am a baptized Tatar. I did not accept the Muslim faith, I believe in God, but I was not baptized in the church. Can I become godmother And what you need to do? Thank you in advance.

Regina

Regina! If you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, then you need to be baptized. Only members of the Orthodox Church, that is, baptized ones, can become godparents. be like catechumens to the temple, learn the Orthodox faith and be baptized. Under these conditions, you will be able to help the baby with both prayer and acquired knowledge, because praying for godchildren and educating them in Orthodoxy is the main duty of godparents.

Priest Vladimir Shlykov

Is it possible for a child to put on a cross bought for baptism without a baptismal ritual, is it not a sin?

Korzhova Elena

Elena, baptism is not a ritual, but a Sacrament. If the child is baptized, then he can wear a cross bought outside the church (only such a cross needs to be consecrated in the temple). If the child is not baptized, then what is the point of wearing a cross? The priest puts on the cross only during the sacrament of baptism.

Hieromonk Viktorin (Aseev)

Hello, father! I am 22 years old and I am baptized. I have one question, please answer. Our family has an alcoholic father. He is unbaptized. I know that drinking is a sin. The father sins a lot. In their actions, conversations. He pretends to believe in God, but in fact he goes against him. I noticed: since he started drinking, we have been constantly in trouble, failures, money stopped going to the house and everything went wrong (and he has been drinking for 5 years, and heavily). Or simply something happens to us, but not to him. It turns out that he sins, and we, the family, are responsible for his sins. We get sick (just when he drinks for weeks), or something happens and we cry. And everything is fine with him. Please answer why is that? Why are we responsible for his sins?

albina

Hello Albina! No one is responsible for the sins of their parents, so you should not blame your father for your misfortunes. Start with yourself: go to confession, repent of your sins. And pray for your father that the Lord enlightens him with Holy Baptism. After the holy sacrament, by the action of God's grace, he can generally free himself from the passion of drinking wine.

Priest Vladimir Shlykov

Hello. How to deal with despondency? What prayers to read and how to read them so that God hears prayers? It’s very bad in my soul, bad thoughts come into my head, and not everything is good with health, I feel sorry for myself and my family, and this, probably, is despondency. I really want my family to be Orthodox and believers. Mom and dad, brothers and I would have guardian angels, we could light candles for health, pray to the saints for us and for the dead. And then the Lord would surely hear my prayers. And what about us and those who live without God? Such despair over the future, and what will happen to us after death? I am writing to you because I do not know who to turn to with such questions.

Marina

Marina, we must look for the roots of despondency, its causes. Here you need to consult with the priest, it will help. Perhaps not even one conversation, but several will be needed to understand yourself and understand real reasons. But in general, whatever these reasons may be, they can all be called in one word - sin, it's just its various varieties. Therefore, a very effective remedy for despondency is repentance and confession.

hegumen Nikon (Golovko)

Good afternoon, tell me, please. I was taken as a godfather to baptize a girl. I want to buy a cross with a crucifix and the inscription "Save and Save" on the back. The mother of the child is categorically against it, she says that such a cross is not allowed for a girl, so that she does not carry the cross through life. The mother of the child wants a cross without a crucifix and an inscription, well, she is for it to be with stones, like a jewelry one. What would you advise in this situation? Thanks in advance for your reply.

Valentine

What a naive superstition! Each person carries his own cross in life, and this has nothing to do with the form pectoral cross that we wear. On the contrary, we bear on ourselves the image of the Cross of Christ, so that it gives us strength in carrying our life's cross, our pectoral cross reminds us that if you bear your cross with dignity, the Cross is followed by the Resurrection. I don’t understand why your friend then wants to baptize her daughter at all, because the Lord said: “He who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who saves his soul will lose it; but he who loses his life for my sake will save it” (Matthew 10:38-39).

Deacon Ilya Kokin

Hello I apologize for not too clever questions, and thanks in advance for the answer. Please tell me, is it allowed to write in a note on health the name of a person about whom you don’t know for sure whether he was baptized? If it is unacceptable, then what to do if this happened? The second question is a bit incorrect, and besides, most likely, you have already been asked in different variations, but still I would like to clarify. I, to my shame, do not go to the temple very often, but in Lately(for several months already), when I light candles in the church (and not in the same one, but in different ones), wax droplets flow from them black all the time. Since this is connected, as many priests have already answered, with the quality of the candles, once I tried to go to another church, but exactly the same thing happened there. I understand that this is connected with the quality of candles and the technology of their production, and that one should not get carried away with superstitions, but I am very worried, because this is not an isolated case, but happens every time.

Anastasia

Anastasia, personally, I never look at what droplets drip from candles, because I'm not interested in it, and I know what it is clean water superstition. And I advise you - throw these thoughts out of your head. They put a candle - and that's it, and don't pay attention. The main thing is prayer and our life before God. There is a sin - you need to repent of it, and do no more. We must live in peace with God and keep His commandments. The Church prays only for Orthodox baptized people. It is advisable to clarify, if there is any doubt, whether he was baptized.

Hieromonk Viktorin (Aseev)

Hello! Thank you so much for the amazing helpful tips, I found for myself a lot of things that I consider very important. I have this question: for quite a long time I submitted notes about the health of one person, believing that he was baptized. It was not possible to find out if this is so. This man was subsequently baptized. Is it a sin that he was commemorated in church prayer? Thanks in advance for your reply!

Anastasia

Anastasia, it's better to be sure that the person is baptized. Of course, if we unknowingly pray for an unbaptized person, this is not a sin, but it is better to always clarify and find out if there is any doubt.

Hieromonk Viktorin (Aseev)

Hello, I am not baptized, I have long wanted to be baptized myself and baptize my children, but the fact is that we live in a village and we do not have a Church. Can I pray for my children at home?

Aitalina

Aitalina, nevertheless, you need to contact the priest of the nearest temple and resolve the issue of baptism. In fact, this is not as difficult as it seems at first glance, but you need to show diligence and perseverance in this good and saving work.

Priest Vladimir Shlykov

Why do unbaptized babies go to hell if they have not broken a single commandment?

Hello Asya. Who told you such nonsense? In the entire history of the Church, only Blessed Augustine believed that all the unbaptized are doomed to eternal torment, including babies. But not one of the thousand Holy Fathers agreed with him. It is clear that the state of the soul of an unreasonable infant will differ significantly from the state of the soul of an ascetic who has fulfilled the Gospel throughout his life. However, there can be no question of any condemnation of unbaptized babies to hell. Among the holy martyrs venerated by the Church are several thousand Bethlehem babies killed on the orders of Herod, and not one of them was baptized. Please don't read any nonsense. Read the New Testament and a chosen one of the true saints. God help you.

Priest Alexander Beloslyudov

Hello! Can I be godmother if I have my own unbaptized child he is 3 months old. Or do you need to baptize yourself first?

Svetlana

Svetlana, your native son unbaptized - baptize your child first, and quickly. By the way, being a godmother is a great responsibility before God. You need to pray for the godson, participate in his Orthodox education. The godparents themselves must be practicing Orthodox Christians, go to church regularly, confess and receive communion.

Hieromonk Viktorin (Aseev)

Good afternoon. I am not baptized because my parents are unbelievers. I myself believe, and have long wanted to be baptized, but I can’t make up my mind, get together. Now friends have asked to be the godmother of their son. Can I be a godmother? If so, can we be baptized on the same day? Thanks.

Kseniya

Ksenia, only a believer and a person baptized in the Orthodox Church should become a godfather. You need to be like catechumens in the temple, be baptized yourself, and only then baptize the baby.

Priest Vladimir Shlykov

Bless, father! I asked a priest if I could pray for the unbaptized. He said that the unbaptized have no name, and it is better not to pray for them. There is a woman who is at odds with me right now, and I think she is an occultist. She is most likely unbaptized and I don't know whether to pray for her or not. The Gospel says that you need to pray for your enemies. And in some Orthodox newspaper they wrote that you can’t pray for occultists, sorcerers, psychics, that you need to love your enemies and hate the enemies of the Lord. Tell me, please, if an occultist is at enmity with me, should I pray for him (for example, when reading the Psalter), or simply ask the Lord to save me from him? And if my enemy is an alcoholic, a gopnik, a criminal, etc., then pray for such a person, or also just ask the Lord to protect him from him?

God's blessing on you! It is simply necessary to pray for the unbaptized and for the enemies, this is the essence of Christianity (only for the unbaptized - in your personal, and not church prayer). Especially since they have a name. There is no need to attach such supermystical, even occult significance to the name. If you follow the opinion you write about, then it turns out that if I drive along the highway, see an accident, pray for the wounded and the dead, then my prayer does not reach the Lord? The Lord is omniscient, He is everywhere, He commanded us to love our neighbors, and the neighbor is not only the one whom we love and who loves us, but first of all the one who is not loved by us and does not love us. The main enemy of the Lord is ourselves. We offend Him with our actions, crucify Him with our sins. You have to fight with yourself first. God bless you!

Archpriest Andrey Efanov

Hello. Tell me, please, is the marriage of a baptized with an unbaptized one allowed? And what if the husband refuses to be baptized? We have been living together for over 2 years. But only now I began to see the difference between a churched person and not.

Maria

Hello Maria. Church marriage, of course, is not allowed. It is simply impossible. BUT state registration you must go through so that the marriage is legal, otherwise you cannot even be admitted to the sacraments. Only now, from your letter, I did not understand whether you are already married or cohabiting.

Priest Alexander Beloslyudov

Hello, father! At 18, I got married. I was pregnant. They began to live hard, the husband could not move away from the wedding, he drank everything with his friends, he was probably glad that he had left his mother. She had a very strong influence on him, and then freedom. He's 25, I'm 18, you don't have to report to me, freedom! His mother constantly blamed me for everything. I was studying medicine at the time. In short, I no longer wanted a child, sometimes I said that it would be better not to have this pregnancy, in my hearts, of course. She did nothing herself, did everything as expected, prepared for childbirth. I ate right, drank vitamins, did not drink a single pill. She cried only because of her husband and mother-in-law. At 30 weeks I had a premature birth, the boy lived for several hours and died. Tell me, is it my fault that this happened? I am now 31 years old, I have a daughter. But I still remember my baby. Is it necessary to go and repent of what happened after such a time? And is it necessary to put to rest? They didn’t show me the boy, they didn’t let me bury him, they said he weighed less than 1 kg. are not buried. I didn’t name him in any way, so I need to come up with a name if I put him to rest?

Marina

Marina, you poor woman! I can only sympathize with your long-standing grief ... There is no need to name the baby. Pray for his soul? Yes, such is the Kingdom of Heaven! Don't worry about him. God rested! What about sin? We must repent (if not repented) of an abnormal marriage. This is the cause of all evil.

Archpriest Maxim Khyzhiy

Hello. I have a friend. He is a Muslim. Now he is seriously ill. What prayers can I say for his health?

Olga

Hello Olga! You can only pray for a Muslim in your home prayer in your own words, because all church prayers are designed to pray for members of the Church.

Priest Vladimir Shlykov

Last Sunday, October 9, we celebrated the day of remembrance of the apostle of love - the holy evangelist and closest disciple of Christ, John the Theologian, who wrote such great words as "God is love" (1 John 4:8).

And the question posed in the title of the article, which is burning and acute for many of us (after all, we were born and raised in an atheistic Soviet state), directly concerns love.

And therefore, of course, you can pray for all people, including heretics, schismatics, and the unbaptized. But only in private prayer at home.

It seems to me that the Lord himself gives us examples of prayer for the unbaptized, schismatics and heretics.

Let us also remember the sufferings of the Savior: “And when they came to the place called Skull, there they crucified Him and the evildoers, one on the right, and the other on the left. Jesus said: Father! forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing” (Luke 23:32-34). For whom was our Lord Jesus Christ praying at that moment? About Roman pagan soldiers who did not know that He is the Messiah.

The Pauline Epistles are also important: “So, first of all, I ask you to make prayers, petitions, intercessions, thanksgiving for all people, for kings and for all those in authority, so that we can lead a quiet and serene life in all piety and purity, for this is good and pleasing to our Savior God who wants all people to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim. 2:1-4). Moreover, we note, dear brothers and sisters, that this was a Epistle written by the holy apostle-God-seeer to the bishop (Paul ordained the holy Apostle Timothy as bishop of the Ephesian Church) as a guide to action. Who were, for example, the kings or rulers mentioned here? If the entire ecumene (Greek: “inhabited land”) was 99 percent pagan, including kings and rulers. In addition, the holy supreme apostle Paul deduces in the First Epistle to Timothy the truly Divine, merciful idea that we Christians need to pray for all people, “that all ... be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.” This means that we can and should pray for the admonition of heretics, theomachists, schismatics, the unbaptized, so that with the help of our love, our intense prayer in our cells, our Lord Jesus Christ will enlighten them and lead them to the Orthodox faith.

After all, in the morning prayers, in the expanded commemoration book there are the following words: “Those who have departed from the Orthodox faith and blinded by fatal heresies, enlighten with the light of Your knowledge, and honor Your Holy Apostles of the Catholic Church.”

In the life of an older contemporary, the Monk Kuksha of Odessa, who is already close to us, there is such a case, recorded from the lips of the saint himself: “On the road, I had absolutely nothing to eat (Father Kuksha went for deportation after a camp imprisonment. - Approx. Aut.). A young Jewish woman was traveling with me in the same compartment - God save her little girl, with her 3-year-old son. She asked where I was going and if I was a priest, she said that her father, the rabbi, was also imprisoned. She fed me for three days all the way to Solikamsk and gave me some money with her. In the memoirs of the saint, we see a clear example of a prayer for the salvation of a young woman, quite possibly of the Jewish faith.

Also, St. Theodore the Studite says that one can pray at home for the above categories of people: “Unless everyone in his soul prays for such and does alms for them.”

His Holiness Patriarch Alexy II of Moscow and All Russia, in his report at the diocesan meeting of Moscow in 2003, said: “During the time of militant atheism in our country, many people grew up and died unbaptized, and their believing relatives want to pray for their repose. Such private prayer has never been forbidden. But in church prayer, at divine services, we commemorate only the children of the Church who have communed with her through the Sacrament of Holy Baptism.” That is, in cell (home) prayer, you can pray for unbaptized people.

Following the quote of His Holiness, with God's help, we move on to the next question: "Is it possible to pray for the unbaptized, heretics and schismatics in the temple?" Answer: No.

The Savior also tells us about this in a conversation with the holy righteous Nicodemus: “Jesus answered: Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit” (John 3:5, 6). An unbaptized person is still an old carnal person who has not been grafted into the vine of Christ, who has not become a part of His body - the Church of Christ. It is also the beginning of the Kingdom of God on earth. Therefore, of course, prayer in church for the unbaptized is impossible in any form. They are not part of the church body. In addition, the heart of church life is the Eucharist. But let us remember the ministry of the ancient apostolic Church of the first centuries. Even catechumens (that is, unbaptized people who wish to be baptized) could not attend the Liturgy of the Faithful, where the transubstantiation of bread, wine, and water into the Body and Blood of Christ takes place. And near the doors they placed special church servants - paranomarius gatekeepers, so that no one except the faithful (baptized Orthodox) could enter the temple during the Sacrament of Communion.

The prohibition of church commemoration of the unbaptized, heretics, schismatics, pagans during church services is reflected in the canonical consciousness of the Church. First of all, these are several rules of the Local Council of Laodicea (c. 360): “It is not appropriate to pray with a heretic or a renegade” (Rule 33), “You should not accept holiday gifts sent from Jews or heretics, below celebrate with them” (Rule 37), “To the cemeteries of all heretics, or to martyr places so called by them, let it not be allowed for the church to go for prayer, or for healing. But those who walk, if they are faithful, be deprived of the fellowship of the Church for some time” (Rule 9).

And also the 5th Rule of the VII Ecumenical Council: “There is a sin unto death, when some, sinning, remain uncorrected, and ... cruelly rise up for piety and truth ... in such people there is no Lord God, unless they humble themselves and become sober from their fall” .

As for the babies who died unbaptized... Their parents would like to express their sincere and deep condolences. And with God's help, I would like to say that you, dear ones, do not despair and perceive this mournful, very difficult, no doubt, event of the loss of a beloved child as the will of God. After all, remember the popular saying "God gave, God took." And the people are wise in their hearts. And if the Lord took your child to Himself, then He had His mysterious plans for this to arrange our salvation. Bow down under His great and holy will. “For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light” (Matthew 11:30). And if you accept this burden as the will of God, not despairing, but completely trusting in His inexpressible mercy, then it will indeed turn out to be light and will lead you to salvation. For your own children, who died unbaptized, pray in your home prayer, give alms for them (only so that you remember them, and not someone else). And believe that the All-Merciful Lord will arrange and arrange everything in the best possible way.

I would also like to turn to obstetricians who take birth. If you believe in God and see, according to medical experience, already at birth, that a baby who has seen the world is still breathing, but will not live according to all signs, bring a bath or any other container of water, pour it three times on his head and say: “The servant of God (servant of God) (name) is baptized in the name of the Father, amen. And the Son, amen. And the Holy Spirit, amen. Now and forever, and forever and ever, amen.” If possible, then at each proclamation, lower the child three times when pouring and raise him after. This is a symbol of the death of the old man and the resurrection-renewal of the new - spiritual. This ceremony will take you less than a minute, and the human soul will be saved and prepared for eternal life. If such a child dies, then he will be considered a baptized Orthodox Christian, for whom you can pray in the temple. If he survives, then you need to call the priest, and he will make up for everything necessary at Baptism, perform the Sacrament of Confirmation, etc. In addition, clergy often take care of maternity hospitals. And they can be contacted through doctors in order to baptize him for the sake of fear of a mortal (that is, in a serious illness of a newborn baby).

As for heretics, schismatics and pagans, you can also pray for them at home, in private, so that the Lord will lead them to salvation. In the church, on the basis of the above council rules, it is impossible. Moreover, God does not want to violate the free will of man. If he is a heretic and a schismatic or a pagan in the Orthodox country of Ukraine (unless he is a child brought up in this), then he himself voluntarily excommunicated himself from the Orthodox Church and, according to his convictions, does not want to belong to It. Do we have the right to forcibly drag him to the temple? You won't be forced to be nice. He himself had already sinned grievously in his heart and excommunicated himself from the Church by not believing in Her dogmas or deliberately distorting them. Let us remember the many healings of the Lord and God and our Savior Jesus Christ. What did He require of people as the only condition for healing? Faith. "Do you believe that I can do it?" the Lord asks. And in Nazareth, Christ did not work many miracles and healings because of their unbelief, as it is said in the Gospel (Matthew 13:53-58).

No faith, no salvation. At least not yet for these people.

If there is information (certificate from a doctor) about the mental illness of a suicide, then you can go to the Ruling Bishop of your diocese and ask him for blessings for an absentee funeral. But even after him, it is impossible to commemorate a suicide in temples.

Here is a rather short prayer of the Monk Leo of Optina: “Search, Lord, for the lost soul of Your servant (name): if it is possible to eat, have mercy. Your destinies are unsearchable. Do not put me in sin with this prayer of mine, but may Thy holy will be done. Or the spiritual work of Metropolitan Veniamin (Fedchenkov) "The Canon of the Unauthorized Life of Those Who Died Their Lives."

Separately, I would like to say about the holy martyr Uare, whose memory the Church celebrates on November 1 according to the new style. There was an opinion in society that he could pray for unbaptized people. Perhaps it arose on the basis of that place from the life, when the pious woman Cleopatra from Palestine laid his holy relics in the tomb with her ancestors. But nowhere in the life is it said that these ancestors were not Christians or were pagans. But in Russia there is still a tradition to pray to the holy martyr Uar for unbaptized people. It does not quite correspond to the church canonical. Here is how His Holiness Patriarch Alexy II of Moscow and All Russia speaks about this in his report mentioned in this article: “People with few churches get the impression that it is not necessary to receive Holy Baptism or be a member of the Church, it is enough just to pray to the martyr Huar. Such an attitude towards the veneration of the holy martyr Uar is unacceptable and contradicts our church doctrine.”

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