The most famous Uzbek actresses: biography and creative career. The most beautiful Uzbek. Uzbek girls
If you are madly in love with an Uzbek man and agree to anything to be with him, you should definitely read this article written by a Russian woman who married an Uzbek 6 years ago, especially for the site.
About Uzbekistan
Uzbekistan is located in the heart of Central Asia, and it was through it that the Great Silk Road once passed. Usually, Russians and residents of other countries represent our country as a very backward state, in which residents ride donkeys, wear only national clothes and live in clay houses.
And often those who come to the country are surprised that everything is different here, however, this applies mainly to Tashkent and the Tashkent region. Indeed, the metropolitan region is completely different, much more modern and tolerant, for example, shorts and tops that girls like to wear.
As for the regions, in general, girls rarely go outside alone, without being accompanied by male relatives, not to mention open clothes. In general, there are fewer and fewer people of European nationalities - many leave for permanent residence in Russia, Kazakhstan, the USA, etc., so indigenous people noticeably prevails.
Concerning national composition countries - more than 80% of the inhabitants are Uzbeks, then come Russians, Tajiks, Kazakhs, Karakalpaks, Tatars, Koreans, Kyrgyz, etc., but I’ll say right away that Russians outside the Tashkent region can be counted on the fingers, mostly native Uzbeks live there, and if representatives of other nationalities meet by chance, they usually speak the state language as their native language.
Now about the climate. Indeed, the weather and climate in Uzbekistan are favorable, however, in summer it is very hot, but quite dry (low humidity), so few people are afraid of 40 degrees. Autumn and spring are beautiful - autumn is warm, you can wear a light windbreaker until December, the rains are rarely cold and long.
Spring is the most delightful time of the year, it starts at the end of February and turns into summer in mid-May. Everything is blooming, fragrant, a light breeze, gentle sun, rains are rare and very warm, gentle. But the most beautiful spring in the mountains! The spurs of the Tien Shan Range are magnificent - every summer many residents of the capital region go there to relax, and in spring poppies, tulips bloom there, and the mountains themselves resemble Switzerland.
About Tashkent
If you met an Uzbek man, and he charmed you at first sight (by the way, modern educated guys are great at seducing Russian women), you should first find out where he was born and raised. Usually it’s better not to mess with guys from the regions - the eastern mentality is too strong there, which sooner or later will make itself felt, even if the young man is very Europeanized and easily communicates in Russian.
At the same time, Tashkent men are considered more stingy and prudent, although there are exceptions everywhere.
Nevertheless, life in the capital, even in Uzbekistan, is the most acceptable option for a Russian girl who has decided to connect her life with an Uzbek. The fact is that life in Uzbekistan and life in Tashkent are two different things. In the capital you will meet quite a lot of representatives of national minorities, including Russians, there are parks, theaters, exhibition halls and galleries, and there are many times more entertainment compared to the regions.
In addition, in Tashkent itself, many Uzbeks speak Russian, so there should be no problems with communication. Moreover, some families are so modern that even official language used in communication less often than Russian.
By the way, an interesting point is that if at the bazaar you, when buying products, speak Uzbek, and even masterfully bargain, you will find more low price, so it is very desirable to learn the language, at least for communication at the everyday level, especially since it is much easier than Russian.
About Uzbek men
If you decide to get married in Uzbekistan, take your time and get to know your chosen one properly. Of course, all men during courtship become princes on white horses, but it is better to remove rose-colored glasses before marriage.
Let's get acquainted with the types of Uzbek men that can be distinguished:
1. The most unfortunate option - the guy came to Russia to work, he himself is from some Yangiaryk somewhere in the Kashkadarya region, hardworking, cheerful and kind, but he knows Russian poorly, has no education, and he arrived here because at home his mother, father, 5-6 brothers-sisters are waiting for him, who need to be married, given in marriage, and this is all the money.
It is quite possible that this naive comrade will go into all serious trouble, because where he lives, no one has heard of the opportunities and temptations that are encountered at every turn in Russia. From this we run, and away. Unfortunately, there are examples of such stories on our forum.
2. It happens that a man comes to work, already knowing how to do something, more or less literate and educated, also hardworking and without bad habits. He can charm you with his homeliness, thriftiness, masculinity, and many more oriental men they are very kind to children, and you may even want a child from him.
However, it is always worth remembering one “but” - sooner or later he will want to return to his homeland, or even not want to, but circumstances will force him (parents are sick, sister’s wedding). And if he leaves, no one guarantees that he will return.
3. This option is similar to the previous one: it can charm you with its masculinity, reliability and stability, but it is likely that the wife and 3-4 children he supports are waiting for this comrade at home. And very rarely, or rather, almost never, Uzbek men leave their wife - it is much more convenient for them to combine.
4. Perhaps the most optimistic option is a promising young man, modern, independent, but most importantly - with the same modern parents, preferably moved from Uzbekistan for permanent residence somewhere in Europe ... Yes, yes, there are such Uzbek men, and even who received an excellent education. In this case, you will not be weighed down by the need to build your life at the behest of his parents, which is so common in Uzbekistan itself.
About family life
First of all, the mentality of the Uzbeks is such that it is the wife who adapts and even bends, and not only for her husband, but also for his close relatives: parents, sister-in-law and brother-in-law. And your task is to please them, preferably at first sight. By the way, often the daughter-in-law plays the role of a servant, cooking for the whole family, washing, cleaning, setting the table, even though she also works from morning to evening.
The mentality of Uzbeks often does not allow you to say something unpleasant right in your face, so the mother-in-law can smile sweetly and be kind and immediately wash the bones behind your back. However, she is an indisputable authority, including for your husband, who, in the event of a conflict, will almost always take her side.
Usually, an Uzbek family, even if it is an international one, is a modern household building - it is the woman who is responsible for the comfort in the house, the food she cooks with her own hands, and the upbringing of children. By the time the husband arrives, hot tea is brewed, a hot dinner is prepared, the wife meets her husband, takes care of him, even though she herself also works. This is the East [Read about the features of Muslim wives in. Editorial note]
An Uzbek husband may well tell you not to wear open blouses or short skirts, and this despite the fact that sometimes in Tashkent you can meet very revealingly dressed Uzbek women. However, women here are also not so simple, and although the head of the family is nominally a man, the wife usually manages a lot of things, including the distribution of finances. However, if earlier the eastern wife sat at home, today many Uzbek wives work, and, by the way, mothers-in-law prefer daughters-in-law who graduated from a medical or pedagogical university, so that she also brings benefits to the family.
However, a lot depends on the character of the husband himself - he can turn out to be very modern and will allow you everything you want - I have a lot good examples such marriages (including my own), in which Uzbek husbands and Korean, Russian or Tatar wives live in love and harmony, perfectly find mutual language, go towards each other and find compromises.
About raising children
The attitude towards children in Uzbekistan is very interesting. The mentality of the Uzbeks is such that they love children very sincerely and in a special way, although they may not invest in their development and education. From birth, babies are surrounded great love and universal adoration, they are coddled, worn, but at the same time from a year and even earlier they are taught to respect adults, especially in relation to their father.
By the way, you may be shocked by such relics as feeding an infant with juices already from 2-3 months, and the most unexpected thing is that instead of a pacifier, a baby may be offered to give a piece of fat (dumba) wrapped in gauze. But don't be scared though the last word remains with the baby's mother.
In Uzbekistan, most young mothers breastfeed, and if in the capital breast-feeding stop by 1.5-2 years, then in the regions they can allow the child to apply almost up to 6-7 years.
By the way, in traditional families, the mother-in-law often helps the young daughter-in-law with the baby - she can go for a walk with him, buy, play while the young mother does household chores or leaves home.
A big plus of Tashkent, in particular, is that placing a child in a kindergarten is not a problem at all, but rather a matter of money. Kindergartens are accepted from the age of two, in groups of 20-30 people, the cost of state kindergartens is 25-35 dollars per month, private ones are from 250 and more.
Another point is that it is very rare for Uzbekistan if there are less than three children in a family. In the regions, even today, women give birth to 4-5 children, but, to be honest, according to my observations, they may not invest much in them - a child can go to school at the age of 7 without being able to read and write.
In Tashkent, the trends are different - here women get married a little later, but they also try until the age of 25, give birth to 2-3 children and prefer to send them to Russian-speaking groups and classes, as they are stronger in terms of education.
About food
You have probably heard about the cult of food in Uzbekistan. And this the purest truth. Uzbek women cook a lot, for all holidays (and there are a lot of them), each mother of the family comes with a large bowl in which hot puff samsas, whites, meat pies or kebabs are buried.
Then all this is laid out on plates and placed on tables, which are literally bursting with treats. That is why every daughter-in-law after the wedding almost always lives with her mother-in-law for the first six months, shows her skills and at the same time adopts experience, learns to cook what her husband likes to eat.
The following things may scare you:
Almost all first and second courses are very fatty,
pilaf is cooked in traditional families only on cottonseed oil (including from savings),
Uses a lot of animal fat
women often bake a lot.
For example, when I got married, it was my mother-in-law who taught me how to make a real pilaf, roll out the dough into a large thin sheet and pull the Uighur lagman. In addition, if a young daughter-in-law lives near her mother-in-law, she always treats her husband's parents with cooked food, mostly baked or second courses.
Remember, there are exceptions to any rules, so perhaps your marriage with an Uzbek will be somewhat different (not the same as I described above). In any case, I wish all readers of the site that their family life it turned out perfectly, regardless of the nationality of your chosen one.
August 12, 2014Instagram is one of the most popular social networks. People all over the world are happy to share the brightest events and impressions of their lives with others. Celebrity accounts are especially popular. Instagram allows numerous fans of stars to follow the lives of their idols in real time. We have compiled the Top 10 Instagram accounts of Uzbek pop stars.
10th place - Jahongir Poziljonov
Number of subscribers: 136 443
Number of publications: 48
The top ten is opened by Jahongir Poziljonov. Despite the small number of publications, this account is very popular among fans. Actor, director, singer, screenwriter Jahongir Poziljonov also shares his everyday life with subscribers. family photos, announcements of upcoming premieres, behind the scenes and much more are available to numerous followers.
9th place - Ulugbek Rakhmatullaev
Subscribers: 149 348
Publications: 1 662
The popular singer Ulugbek Rakhmatullaev takes 9th place in our list. This account has a lot of videos. The artist shares with fans photos of working moments, frames from photo shoots and filming clips, pictures from concerts, travel friendly meetings and so on. In addition, premieres and concerts are regularly announced here, both their own and colleagues in the shop.
8th place - Munisa Rizaeva
Subscribers: 151 401
Publications: 2 724
Munisa Rizaeva is famous not only for her powerful voice, incendiary sincere performances, but also for her lively character. The singer's page reflects the artist's emotionality: bright shots, juicy shots, extravagant outfits and much more. In addition, Munisa Rizayeva's Instagram is distinguished by a large number of videos. In the videos, Muniz performs at concerts, sings cheerfully with friends, or simply wishes his fans have a good day. The artist uploads photos of rehearsals, concerts, a poster of performances and joint photos with numerous fans. Recently, the singer has acquired another account - @rizaevamunisa, to which 20,300 people have already subscribed.
7th place - Sevara Nazarkhan
Subscribers: 157 644
Publications: 251
Sevara does not have as many publications as her colleagues, but this does not prevent her from gaining a large number of subscribers. The girl's photographs are laconic and epic, they depict the singer's trips abroad, meetings with famous friends and professional photo shoots.
6th place - Nilyufar Usmanova
Subscribers: 166 081
Publications: 3 044
Here's who is the winner by the number of publications. On average, Nilyufar makes 7 posts a day, telling all subscribers about his colorful life. The girl shares posters of her performances, shots from concerts and photo shoots, as well as the usual girlish selfies.
5th place - Shohrukhkhon
Subscribers: 193 114
Publications: 4 084
Work, cars and beautiful costumes - these are the three milestones of Shahrukhkhon's page. The singer sticks classical style in clothes, which is repeatedly emphasized in publications. Fans here will find photos from concerts, promotional videos, pictures on the background of a car, funny shots and motivators.
4th place - Manzura
Subscribers: 199 058
Publications: 1 919
Manzura's page is full of various pictures. The singer shares with her fans literally everything that happens in her life: bright meetings with colleagues, trips abroad, new clothes and little pleasant things and, of course, the joys of motherhood. Here is a singer in the image of a diva, a couple of scrolls - and we already have a rock star in front of us, scrolling through a few more frames, we will find Manzura in the role of Barbie, a caring mother, or even get to her training.
3rd place - Lola
Subscribers: 202 373
Publications: 1 413
Opens the top three Lola. Instagram Lola, perhaps, can be called the most stylish. The singer is not afraid to share funny and comical pictures. The outfits of the artist are of particular admiration. Both in everyday life and during the publication - Lola shines.
2nd place - Rayhon Ganieva
Subscribers: 273 800
Publications: 2362
With a large margin, Rayhon Ganieva goes ahead. Instagram Rayhon talks about rich life singers: concerts, photo shoots, receptions and meetings with famous friends and colleagues, and, of course, the joy of motherhood in the face of two charming twin sons. The artist is fond of photo collages and tries all sorts of filters, uses all the features of her favorite social network.
1st place - Shahzoda
Subscribers: 405 032
Publications: 2 429
The absolute champion in terms of the number of subscribers is the singer Shahzoda. The singer shares with fans the most interesting stories of his life, uploads family photos and videos, as well as photos of his performances and privacy. Shahzoda never forgets to run his favorite social network, not missing a single bright event in his life, in addition, there are many motivating quotes.
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28. Singer Iroda Nosirova
27. Svetlana (Oydin) Norbaeva (born in 1944 in Tashkent) - theater and film actress, People's Artist of the Uzbek SSR. Svetlana Norbaeva is the mother of the famous director and producer Dzhanik Faiziev.
26. Uzbek actress Rano Chodieva
25. Uzbek singer Diera
24. Uzbek singer and actress Sevinch Muminova
23. Singer Laylo Galiyeva
22. Matlyuba Alimova (born August 12, 1954) - Soviet and Russian actress, known for the films "Little Tragedies" (1979), "Gypsy" (1979), "Vasily Buslaev" (1982), "The Tale of the Star Boy" ( 1983), "Return of Budulay" (1985). Matlyuba Alimova is an Uzbek by her father.
21. Uzbek singer Munisa Rizaeva
20. Uzbek actress Asal Chodieva
18. Tamara Shakirova (November 26, 1955 - February 22, 2012) - actress, Honored Artist of the Uzbek SSR. Tamara Shakirova (by her husband - Ganieva) is the mother of the modern Uzbek singer Raykhon Ganieva, who is also represented in this rating.
17. Uzbek singer Zamzama
16. Muborak Zhamolkhonova (Ashurboeva) (born August 5, 1986) - actress and singer, member of the Shakhrizoda group.
14. Actress Parisoda Shermatova
13. Model Farid
12. Zilola Nuralieva (born December 24, 1986) is a model working in China and Japan under the pseudonym "Lola". Height - 179 centimeters, figure parameters: 84-61-90.
10. Lola Yuldasheva (born September 4, 1985), better known as "Lola", is an Uzbek singer and actress.
5. Zarina Nizomiddinova - Uzbek actress.
4. Kamilla Mukhlisova (born September 26, 1984 in Tashkent) - actress, model. Height - 163 centimeters, figure parameters: 83-57-84.
3. Irina Sharipova (born February 7, 1992) - Miss Tatarstan-2010, first vice-miss of the Russia-2010 contest, representative of Russia at international competition Beauty "Miss World 2010". Irina Sharipova's height is 178 centimeters, figure parameters: 83-60-87. Irina Sharipova is Uzbek on her father's side, and on her mother's side, Irina has Uzbek, Tatar, Russian and Ukrainian roots.
2. Zilola Musayeva (born July 28, 1979), better known under the pseudonym "Shahzoda", is an Uzbek singer and actress.
1. Raykhon Ganiyeva (born September 16, 1978) is an Uzbek actress and singer. Rayhon - daughter famous actress Tamara Shakirova.
Rayhon Ganieva
Popular Uzbek singer. Born in Tashkent in an artistic family. Father - Otabek Ganiev - a famous film actor, grandson of the film director, the founder of Uzbek cinema Nabi Ganiev. Mother - Honored Artist of the Uzbek SSR Tamara Shakirova. Rayhon loved to draw, dance and sing since childhood. Therefore, the parents decided to send her to study at the music and art school for gifted children. And they weren't wrong. While studying in the 9th grade, Raykhon already performed solo parts on the piano with the Big State Symphony Orchestra under the direction of conductor Zahid Khaknazarov. Today she is not only one of the most beautiful women Uzbekistan, but also a popular singer.
Sevinch Muminova
Bright, beautiful singer and actress is from Fergana. She played in the films "Tsunami", "Dance of Men", "Bah Uchun Million" with the first beauties of Uzbekistan: Tutti Yusupov, Zokir Mukhamadzhonov, Alisher Khamraev. Behind her back are both complex dramatic roles and a selection of vocal hits. Sevinch's fans consider her voice to be the most emotional on the national stage.
Ravshana Kurkova
Born in Tashkent in acting family. However, to be completely honest, along with the Uzbek in the veins of Ravshana, Arab and Tatar blood flows. But this does not prevent fellow countrymen from considering Ravshana theirs and calling her one of the most beautiful Uzbek women in the world. The actress does not consider herself beautiful: “As a child, they called me pretty. In the first grade, when it was necessary to give the first call on the line, I was chosen out of sixty people. I think for long curly hair, big bows and shining eyes. And now ... It’s difficult call herself beautiful. In my opinion, rounded feminine forms are much more attractive than my thinness. Agree, Monica Bellucci looks more seductive than any top model. "
Lola Yuldasheva
The popular singer Lola Yuldasheva in Uzbekistan is better known under the stage name Lola. She is also a songwriter and an actress. The song "Muhabbatim" (my love) brought her the greatest popularity. Lola also sang in Russia under the pseudonym Maya. Lola performs songs in Uzbek and Russian.
Shahzoda Matchanova
Famous Uzbek actress, graduate of the Tashkent state university world economy and diplomacy, faculty international relations. Lessons acting skills I never took it, but in three years (with a one-year break) Shahzoda managed to act in 18 films. Acting in the TV series "dorm" was her first international experience: "It happens that you come to some directors, they ask to show the scene. And you can’t open up and don’t even want to. But at the casting of“ Dorm, ”I remember it very well, Camila (project director) stood in front of me and, trying to support , smiling. And such an attitude gives hope and the opportunity to play well. "
Matluba Alimova
Born and raised in Andijan. By nationality - half Uzbek (from the side of the pope). As for the mother, Georgian, Russian, Polish and German blood is mixed in her. Matluba graduated acting department VGIK, course by Alexei Batalov.
The debut of Matlyuba Alimova in the cinema took place immediately after graduating from VGIK. Her first heroine was the passionate Laura in the television series "Little Tragedies", staged by Mikhail Schweitzer based on the works of A.S. Pushkin. And the partner was Vladimir Vysotsky himself.
Irina Sharipova
"Miss Tatarstan 2010", the first "Vice-Miss Russia 2010", Irina represented Russia at the international beauty contest "Miss World 2010". She is Uzbek on her father's side, and on her mother's side, Irina has Uzbek, Tatar, Russian and Ukrainian roots.
Camilla Mukhlisova
Uzbek and Russian actress, fashion model. Born in Tashkent, father is a communications engineer, mother is a teacher. At school, Camilla participated in all theatrical performances. She studied vocals and sang in the school ensemble. She loved to draw very much. In parallel, she was engaged in acrobatics. In the second year of the circus variety school, she transferred to the variety vocal department. Then in her biography there was the Tashkent Theater Institute, where she studied at the pop faculty, after - Moscow, GITIS and the same pop faculty. Camilla starred in such films as "Dream Diary" by Viktor Eroshenko, "Salam Moscow" by Pavel Bardin, "Beekeeper" by Sergei Bystritsky, "Thaw" by Valery Todorovsky, "Donor" by Vladimir Chubrikov, "What Women Dream of" by Elena Zlobina and "Between two lights "Dmitry Bulin.
Muborak Zhamolkhonova
We know little about her. Muborak is an actress and soloist of the Shahrizoda group. But her smile and look are so adorable that we couldn't help but include her in the list.
Zilola Nuralieva
Zilola is a model from Uzbekistan. It has been successfully operating in China and Japan for several years now. At home, she began with filming for glossy magazines.
Uzbek 29.08.2012 18:37Quoting sass:
of course, it’s understandable why you want to write everyone down as mestizos, and the Soviet formulation of the question and the answer to it are very suitable for this. But we must respect the nations living in Central Asia and Kazakhstan. This is not a herd of animals that were suddenly taken and made into people by order from above. These peoples have their own culture different from each other. And people are not such idiots that they will be called as they are. That the Tajiks suddenly spoke Farsi because they were called that. The peoples who lived on these lands cannot, at the wave of a wand, change their customs and language. The Uzbek Khanate was formed in 1428 by Khan Abulkhairkhan in the north of modern Kazakhstan. Part of the population, led by Berke Sultan, dissatisfied with the rule of the khan, migrated to Lake Balkhash and created the Kazakh Khanate. And they were first called Uzbek Kazakhs. Then simply - Kazakhs. There was no trace of any attack by the Oirats-Kalmyks at that time. The word Kazakh (Cossack) means separated, fallen away, left without a kind of tribe., I'm sorry, but I have to write - if in a word - a renegade. read "Notes of Travelers to Central Asia". "Family tree of the Turks" - Abulgazikhan, "Baburname" - Babur. Also - Russian Cossacks. These are people who fled from their masters. For example, when Yalangtosh was the khakim of Samarkand, as a child, a tattered one appeared in the city, he was called a Kazakh, although he was from the Kalmyks (Arminius Vamberi). And the definition of a people on a religious basis is just nonsense! Why, then, did peoples fight with each other despite religious unity. The Uzbeks who captured Turkestan in the 16th century adopted the customs and culture of local Turks (Turks) and also began to be called Turks. Until 1924, the people were called that way, and even later, during the 1926 census, 87% of the population of Uzbekistan was called Turks. Relations between Uzbeks and Turkmens, Uzbeks and Kazakhs were very bad and there were clashes and wars all the time. Modern Uzbeks have 92 tribes, but not all of them belong to the Uzbek ulus. For example, the tribes - Turk, Barlas, Kaltatoy, Turkman, etc., are not among the tribes of the Uzbek ulus.
I have already read some of your texts and the opinion suggests itself that you are a reader, but an underread person. I also wonder who you are by nationality and by profession or interests. At the expense of nationalities and nations, everything is conditional. in my opinion, in anthropology, it is said: that in order to establish more or less physical, mental, cultural and value uniformity among the same area of \u200b\u200bpeople isolated by culture, dynasty, borders of neighboring countries or natural barriers, 50 generations must be replaced (one generation is taken 25 years) or about 1250 years. There are peoples and entire regions with very ancient history and there is a more or less homolgy of representatives in all of the above parameters (Caucasians, Middle Easterners, etc.). For example, Russian politicians and intellectuals are trying to use every opportunity to lengthen the period of their statehood. The same with the Kazakhs and Uzbeks. The Kazakhs have a saying like: the Uzbek is his brother, and the Sart is our enemy. You give the correct meaning of the word Cossack, but there was no ethnonym Kazakh in history, it was established in the 20th century as a variant of the Cossack in dialect form. But some current Kazakh intellectuals, in an attempt to make their statehood older, frankly misrepresent events and facts. They almost claim that the "ethnonym Kazakh" (precisely in the form of Kazakh) is older than the very first Kazakh Khanate (beginning of the 15th century). The funniest interpretation of etymology is from Kasogs, Khazars, Kaz ak (white goose), from names. Kaspi + Sak Kassak tribes. The same is true for modern official Uzbek historians, the desire to smoothly transfer all the ancient peoples who inhabited the territory of present-day Uzbekistan into the ancestors of modern Uzbeks, this is correct, but the reverse logic (which occurs even in a child) is already incorrect, which means that Ibn Sina was an Uzbek :). In general, always medieval history Central Asia it is necessary to take into account the moment of the invasion of Genghis in conjunction with the customs of all the tribes that made up his army, in historical moments before the rise of the Mongols, all the factors in the emergence of such a large association of tribes and the status of each tribe. Genghis divided many tribes between koshuns, koshuns with the whole army-people named the commander of the koshun. And when it is motley in tribal and ethnic composition, but more or less racially homogeneous, the army invades territories and regions inhabited by a different racial type with simultaneously possessing diverse ethnic characteristics (according to the "country" of habitation), with their own cultures and mentality. Further, under the influence of various factors, both facilitating and hindering, miscegenation, a complex process of folding and disintegration occurs at different points in time. state formations taking into account their inhabitants (who prevails: representatives of the culture of nomads or settled). It is not so important that you clarify that out of the 92 tribes of Uzbeks, not all are Uzbek, but some remained from the Chagatai ulus, but you can take an earlier date from the time of the invasion of the Mongols, the moment of the resettlement of the Turkic tribes of the early period. It is important that at the moment of the entry of some tribe, or part of the tribe, its previous name is obscured by the name of the ulus, ale, horde of the khanate. They become ale. For example, in the Khiva Khanate they say that the Kungrads from the Uzbek ulus dominated, but each inhabitant was not called an Uzbek. The people themselves were divided into rayat (peasantry and artisans), local pre-nomad nobility, clergy (who had some genetic material from the ancient Khorezmians, Parsis, Parthians, Oghuz, etc.) and nomads (aristocrats and simple horsemen). Even now, among modern Khorezmians, there are dialects with a predominance of both Oguz and Kipchak articulations. But they are all Sunni Muslims, you will agree that in those days it was a rather strong factor contributing to the coexistence of ethnic groups in one state .. If you follow the example of one of the last sovereign Central Asian states (you can take bukh. um -t, Kokand khan-vo)), then modern Kazakhstan should be called Astana or the Astana Republic, and the people Nazarbeks. :) And the fact that Berke formed the Kazakh Khanate., You can give sources. As far as I know, these people were Zhanibek Sultan and Kerey. And the brutal defeat in the battle with the Oirats of Abulkhair Khan in the 20s of the 15th century, of course, weakened his position among his competitors for power, which was facilitated by the economic weakening of his people after the defeat. Let's return to the rayat and the Sarts, in contrast to the Tajiks who had their main language (Farsi), the Sarts spoke Turkic dialects, but did almost the same as the Tajiks, and the mentality, lifestyle, appearance and culture were mostly similar. In this they differed greatly from the nomads. Of course, they can be derived from the Sogdians, Khorezmians, Parkans, Chachs, Greco-Macedonians, Saks, Kushans, Hephthalites, Huns, early Turks, Arabs, etc. But the fact is that now they are mostly Uzbeks or Tajiks or Uighurs, some Kazakhs or Turkmens of an unnatural appearance for them. :) Again, they can be called Islambeks, Imambeks, Nazarbeks :). And Uzbekistan is Tashkent. I know that my ancestors were Arabs, but not only them. By appearance, we can say that my relatives and I have both Turkic and Tajik signs (maybe Sogdian, etc. ). My passport is Uzbek. The most indigenous inhabitant of his region (Tashkent). But when meeting a stranger, they think that I am a Khorezmian or an Azerbaijani, and sometimes a Tajik. :)
Uzbek 14.09.2012 21:59
Quoting sass:
Honestly, I can’t understand what you want from me? What is my nationality? But this is a convention, as you say, then why?
I am an Uzbek, and not only according to my passport, like some. True, there is such a misfortune among some Uzbeks who are not Uzbeks (maybe) - there is no sense of self-consciousness. You will not find this in any nation. Your cosmopolitanism will not be accepted by Kazakhs, or ..., or anyone else. Why impose your illness on others. Someone is an Uzbek, Kazakh or Tajik, and someone is a mestizo, "well ... nothing, nothing happens." I know what the Kazakhs think about themselves even without you. What I agree with you is that the name Kazakh was finally assigned to them in the 20-30s of the 20th century. One should read about Uzbeks not only in Soviet textbooks or the like, "A well-read" comrade should know that the history of the Uzbek people begins long before Genghis Khan. And if there had been no invasion of Genghis Khan, nothing would have changed the history of the people, only a stroke was added. I don’t want to repeat the same thing several times and I don’t want to give an example from the words of Christ "do not throw beads in front of ...". I don’t want to be like others. But if you are interested, read "my opinion" about Uzbeks (Turk) and links to primary sources in both "the most ... Uzbeks" and "... Uzbeks". So, if you read, do not Uzbeks need to "lengthen" their history. Genetically, part of the Uzbeks and Uighurs are direct descendants of people who settled this territory 40 thousand years ago and unlike others, they never moved from here. 90% of the peoples of Eurasia are the descendants of those first people, but all of them once moved to other places, unlike the ancestors of the Uzbeks and Uighurs. Ibn Sino is not known by his father, but by his mother he is a Sogdian. And what does it change? Beruniy was definitely not an Uzbek (Turkic), but local population he called the Turks (Turk). Faraby who lived before Ibn Sina was from the Turk tribe. And Ibn Sino considered him a second teacher. Far from all Sogdians became Tajiks. Rather, they did not. You need to know the relationship between Iranians and Sogdians. From the 11th century to the beginning of the 20th century, Iranians, Uzbeks, Armenians were called Tajiks (before the revolution, Tezik, and in the past Tazes) .. other peoples north of Iran. For example, "Tezikovka" otherwise, the tezikov bazaar was translated as Tajik bazaar, or otherwise. Mostly Iranians traded there. And Tajiks are not the natives of Turkestan. About the inhabitants of Khorezm during the time of the Uzbek khans and how they were called, read from Abulgazi Khan. Maybe Janibek and Kerey created Kaz. khanate, I read about it a long time ago and don’t remember, but among the many who first opposed Abulkhairkhan was Berke.
- "If you follow the example of one of the last sovereign Central Asian states (you can also take bukh. em-t, Kokand. Khan-vo)), then modern Kazakhstan should be called Astana or the Astana Republic, and the people Nazarbeks.": "Again, they can be call Islambeks, imambeks, Nazarbeks :) And Uzbekistan is Tashkent."
- What are you talking about? "Do you think you're talking about Borjomi?"
Speaking about the common ancestors of the Uighurs, Turkmens and Tajiks, I would like to recall the last question again. In your opinion, if there is one religion, then the people are one. It's just not like that. Azerbaijanis and Iranians are Shiites, and even live in the same country (Iran), Greeks, Russians, Bulgarians, some Ukrainians are Serbs and other Orthodox, but the people are different. With the Kazakhs and the Turkmens, we have absolutely different culture and we can never be one people with them. Most Kazakhs are Muslims so formally because their khans converted to Islam. Many of them are not even circumcised. You can't cross a bulldog with a rhinoceros. We have the same culture and customs with the Uighurs, and Tajiks who lived among us for 1 thousand years, some for 500 years, adopted our culture and forgot their Iranian ones, but at the same time they did not forget either their language or their roots (intelligentsia) In Tajikistan, even the Iranian flag (on 99%) At first, the truth was the TASSR, then the TSSR. .
Dear opponent, I congratulate you and all Wed. Asians happy independence holidays.
To be honest, this rating, this one, leaves ambiguous feelings. His mission does not correspond to the declared one. It seems that the site itself is something else ... but it begs the question, is it not for provocation. On the site of this section, visitors only do what they indulge in emotions, and why ?, but the discussion went on a delicate topic - nat. question (as in that anecdote, when one of the representatives of nationalities, not finding reasons to praise his people, said - oh, I’m hanging on to you ...). For me, as a citizen of Uzbekistan, not to say that it is quite pleasant. I would like to tell everyone to be more restrained in expressions and not be conveyed by emotions, because all this exaltation breeds rudeness, and insults only breed on opposite sides of the barricades.
Both patriots and cosmopolitans are close to me, of course, within reason. It would be very interesting to find out from the Admin what country he is a citizen of, what are his vital interests, credo, so to speak, what goals he set when creating this site. This one is just to form an opinion about the respected Admin.
I turn to you, dear ssass. I respected you, because you, like others here, are interested in the history of your ancestors (like housexy, marat78, etc.), although some bias in defending your visions warps you, I can’t call it otherwise, because causticity replicas, you can’t resolve the dispute, you have to convince. In Logic there are rules of syllogism, but there is also sophism, aporias and appeal not to facts, but to a person (to confuse the opponent). I can be subjective, but I also know that I am fairly objective. So, it is incorrect to try to stick to my personality what is not there. Let me explain - I am a patriot of my homeland (in early childhood it was a room, a house, then a street, a mahalla, then at school they purposefully introduced into consciousness that the main concept of the homeland is the USSR, and I am primarily a citizen of this country (I was honest October pioneer, but consciously refused the Komsomol.) In the family, I saw something different, first of all, a double game, for work and school we are officially Georgian USSR and atheist communists, but we note the prohibited Navruz, Khaites, thin people, older aunts according to their father, they know from their grandmother the legends about the lives of the prophets (Yusuf for example) in the Uzbek language in poetic and song form (not the legends about Alpamysh), to teach etiquette (which, as it turned out later, is Muslim), some Sharia norms and the main suras and kalima. the history of the newest (gradually, of course, in accordance with my maturation) of Tashkent, our ancestors starting from my grandfather, his brothers, Dadyas and further deep into history... And regardless of this, I was already a patriot of Tashkent (as in the song on the). Already in high school and at the university, an understanding came of Uzbekistan, the region, that everything is also the motherland and one, but as happens in my youth, I taught the subject of history, out of necessity, but that impression from the history of our territories was the most gloomy - constant wars, first foreign invasions, and closer to the late Middle Ages, then just fratricidal civil strife. So, it was more interesting when we went through ancient and ancient history. By the way, I am not a historian. Interest in history came already in adulthood. Probably reading the historical novels of European authors, patriotism leaped up and began to read our historical works. Once upon a time, topics on the subject of history (from school, university), and especially on modern history, and the stories of the Father began to come to mind. Of course, when he told me, in my youth, I listened with half an ear, but when it began to intersect me, he was already elderly and suddenly died (someone, in my opinion, said: when I was young, my father seemed like an eccentric to me, but when I turned 30, it turned out that he suddenly wised up. :)), And last years I read a certain amount of printed text on our history, which surprisingly rediscovered what I once heard, read, in a new understanding, or, let's say, I already began to realize the meaning of what I learned. But I remained a patriot of my land, believed important point gaining sovereignty, and remained conservative in its values. But the main vision of the formation of modern Uzbekistan in a new light has changed.
So you say that it is important that we are Turks, that they have always been on the territory of cf. Asia, Turan, but according to Gumilyov, the Turks are already mestizo (Mongo-Aryan) in origin, and this happened on the territory of the modern region of eastern Turkestan and northern China. There have always been Turkic tribes with a predominance of one type or another. That the Aryan nomadic tribes (described in the Avesta) lived throughout the entire steppe zone of Eurasia (50 degrees north latitude) from the Danube and Black Sea coast Europe, the Caspian coast, the Volga steppes, the Dashti-Kipchak steppes, the eastern Turk-n, and the steppes of the north. China was originally inhabited by nomadic Aryan tribes (the largest areas of the association are the Scythians, Sarmatians, Sakas, Tochars, etc.) They all ate horse meat, all the nomads of the tribe were at the same time warriors, fighting only with cavalry using tactics identical to those of the Turkic Mongolian, living in prefabricated yurts. Only the language was Eastern Iranian. And now, at the junction of the habitation of the Aryan nomads and the Mongoloids of the north, modern. China began crossbreeding. Proto-Turkic appeared, then Turkic languages. The first Cossacks appeared (robber hordes formed by renegades of different tribes.). And these robber hordes became the dominant horde in the steppe and plunged the tribes into vassal dependence, and as a result forced them to participate in their campaigns. The opinion of many Turkologists agrees that the Turkic mentality consists of respect for strength and spirit, to the detriment of other human qualities, and they willingly submit to the despotic power of one of them, whose latent dream is (or ideal) to take his place someday, and with the first slack on the part of the leader or the appearance of an alternative to him, they betray him. Yes, they survived in difficult natural conditions the whims of the wild nature and way of life, having perfectly adapted to it over the centuries, but, unlike sedentary cultures, remained uncouth, in the elements of settled civilizations, not immediately coexisting with it, but eventually submitting to the culture they conquered.
As I have already said, the Turks of different eras and regions differ in appearance, especially those who were swarmed in later times (compare the modern Turks and Azeris, they differ, although both are descendants of the Oghuz, but mixed with the types in the conquered territories.). Based on this, I can say that the early Turks of our territory are not even quite Uzbeks. The Ak Orda Uzbek tribes are variegated in composition, all the same, Turkic tribes (before Chingiz, but you must admit that the Turks have a certain proportion of Mongoloid genes, for example, the Khitans are very poor) and plus purely Mongolian (Chingiz: Tatars, Naimans, etc.) Mongoloids gave modern Kazakhs, as it should, real Uzbeks are the same Kazakhs.
Our early Turks somewhere completely, and somewhere partially switched over to a sedentary and agricultural culture, and adopted local customs and cults, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Buddhism. And their language differs dialectically from the language of nomadic Uzbeks. Moreover, they mixed with the local Europoids Sogdians. (For example, the Turks became more like Europeans and the Azeris looked like Iranians, even the emirs of the Mankyt dynasty, from the word flat-nosed, having children from local Tajik women, became like them themselves). Arabs come, but do not leave, they assimilate, bringing a new cultural and mental moment - they introduce Islam. (By the way, the ethnonym Tajik appears in Central Asia precisely at this time. Having first Islamized Adjam Iran, the Iranian Muslims already carried out missionary activities on an equal footing with the Arabs in the territories that were at times vassal to them. Tajik was associated with the locals with a Muslim Iranian, and then with everyone who spoke Parsi.) Then the state, where Muslim nomadic Turkic dynasties dominate, the settled people lead the same way and way of life and do not seem to change much genetically. And then the invasion of Genghis, the division of the conquered territories between the sons. The destiny of jumi and chagataya neighbors. The Mongols in the Jochi ulus are mixed in the Dashti-Kipchak with the Kipchaks, etc. Turks, also having Mongoloid genes. Some more and some less. Therefore, the overwhelming majority of the tribes of nomadic Uzbeks were obvious Mongoloids, but they already Turkified the Mongols themselves, in language, but not quite in culture and mentality. In the same Bulgaria, on the basis of which the Kazan Khanate was founded, the type is somewhat different, Tatars + Bulgars. In the Chagatai ulus, a division immediately began into Maverannahr with a Muslim and settled mentality, where the Chagatai Mongolian tribes were Turkified by local Turks with their dialect and appearance and Muslim mentality, and in Mogholistan they remained purely Mongolian - language, culture, way of life and mentality. And now the Sheybanid Uzbeks are invading Maverannahr. In Moghulistan, the Oirats will attack the Kazakhs, and then mix with them. Early Uyghurs live in Mogolistan, who are descendants of the ancient Uyghur tribes, who then, somewhere completely, and somewhere partially, switch to settled life, assimilating local Sogdians, or Turfans, (by the way, in modern China, those who remained in hard-to-reach mountain ranges are called Chinese Tajiks, although their language differs from the language of other Tajiks) and on the basis of their writing they create the Old Uighur writing. Modern Uighurs have assimilated those Oirats plus the Kirghiz. That is why it is possible to compare modern "Uzbeks" with the Uyghurs, in that they are very similar in culture and language and outwardly (although only the ancient settled types of inhabitants of the oases and other sides), but not with real Uzbek nomads from the Ak Orda . By the way, modern representatives of nomadic Uzbeks who have retained their identity in countryside, are very similar to modern Kazakhs both in dialect, and anthropologically and culturally and mentally and household items. The names of the tribes and clans of their constituents are also similar.
Now back to modern history father, and even our writers of the beginning of the century, Aibek, Kadyri, etc. they said that the Tashkent people had very close dealings with the Kazakhs, traded with them either by traveling to them or at seasonal fairs. Here the Kazakhs have always shown superiority over settled residents, and always in military force, but not in learning, literacy, craft and trade. They called them Sarts, but they recognized them as their Uzbeks from the Akordinians, but not very Kurama. My father said that before the Kokand people, the Kazakhs officially ruled for some time, and from that time there was an imprint on the development and urban planning of Tashkent. Being a metropolis, by the standards of that time, Tashkent was unsightly in the late Middle Ages, but the center of trade. In short, paying off the Kazakhs, the Tashkent people lived their Muslim life. There were many names that came from Parsi, textbooks in schools were in Farsi. The first textbook in Maktab was Haftiyak, also in Parsi. Educated people knew Farsi well, and Kazakh merchants. My father said that my grandfather got along well with the Kazakh biys. Maybe because we belonged to the Khoja, and the ancestor Ismail ata (buried in Turbat) who is revered by the Kazakhs. The father describes the Kazakhs of that time as very simple-hearted, trusting, but not always fulfilling their obligations. Very hospitable. They saved my grandfather in the steppe from a snowstorm. If they had not been saved, then there would be no me. If a Kazakh becomes stubborn, it is difficult to convince him, there have been outbreaks sudden aggression, that is, from a calm, relaxed state. City dwellers have a completely different demeanor, they can speak and persuade, they are very skillful in persuasion, prudent (life represented meager means and opportunities) and diligent, very religious (of course, compared to the Kazakhs :)).
My father said that the Kazakhs who ruled Tashkent were attacked by the Dzhungars, that after that, they left the Syrdarya steppes on the left bank, and Tashkent was logically transferred to China, because. The Chinese defeated the Dzungars, but did not come to Tashkent, which caused a struggle between the hokims of the 4th daha, defeated Yunus Khoja, and became the ruler of an independent Tashkent, and conquered the surrounding lands, then the Kokand Khan came.
Then the Russians came and besieged Tashkent for 40 days. The emir of Bukhara did not help, but went to conquer Kokand taking advantage of the moment. When the revolution was accomplished, the Muslim intelligentsia and the clergy formed their social leadership, but the Bolsheviks outplayed them and created a government of working Muslims and Russian workers and others. Russia (which prevailed. Generally public opinion the townspeople were ruled by eshans (sheikhs of Sufi schools), In the defense of Tashkent from the royal troops, at their calls simple people(when the sarbazes could no longer do anything, and the actual ruler of the Kokand khanate (toli Kipchak, toli Kirghiz), the father-in-law of Khudoyerkhan had already been defeated outside the walls of the city) rushed with clubs and bare fists at bayonets and under a hail of buckshot. Only the senselessness of the resistance made it necessary to call on the sheikhs to resist, and the elders of the city surrendered it.
Here is the difference in mentality between settled and nomads, which he himself has already observed among representatives of our residents steppe zones having clear traditions from the Kazakh people (jockeying, yurts, Mongoloid, although our type is recognizable from the Kazakh, more Mongolist or metist with Europoid features, and the Kazakhs, I don’t know how, they differ from ours, but with the kishlak Uzbeks of the Tash region, the Kazakhs are sometimes very similar) .
Yes, the Turks were a long time ago in cf. Asia, but they are not the same person, even in Babur Nama it is said who is a Turk, who is a Mongol (Babur himself is a Turkified Mongolian Barlas + the blood of the Sart wives of his ancestors + a real Chingizid Mongol by his mother) who is a Sart with the Turkic language, who is a Sart with Farsi, who Tajik, who is a Tukrmen, who is a Karluk, etc. even by tribe). Even from the description of their Timurid relatives, it can be seen that many of them are obvious Mongoloids. The Temurids themselves fought the Uzbeks, and Babur sometimes calls Sheibani Khan simply an Uzbek. But Emir Temur called his state only "Mulki Turon", and not Uzbekistan. So, where are the Uzbeks who have always been. Just read even textbooks with a different attitude, and you yourself will see the contradictions in the ethnogenesis of the modern Uzbek. The Republic of Uzbekistan is more than 80 years old, but Goddess it will exist for another 500 and 1000 years, because the basis for the Bolsheviks to assert the predominant Uzbek nation in cf. served Asia, the Sheibanid dynasties lasted until the 20th century for about 400 years.