Daily routine from the second shift. We ask you to cancel the second shift in Russian schools
So many schoolchildren now, like decades ago, have to “nibble on the granite of science” after lunch, that is, on the second shift. And most often this is not at all explained by the desire of the children themselves and their parents, but by necessity. Alas, the acute shortage of schools, classes, teachers has not disappeared, and the reality is that many educational institutions are simply forced to resort to such a measure. In this material, we will talk about how to properly schedule a schedule for a student studying on the second shift, so that he does not get too tired, has time to play sports, and relax, and study well.
Pros and Cons of Afternoon Study
Of course, the second shift is most often perceived with hostility, because such a regime is unusual and not always good for health. The fathers and mothers of such children complain that the students do not have time to do their homework properly, they get tired, they do not have the opportunity to play with friends on the playground, they cannot attend circles and sections. Here are the main, most obvious disadvantages of this mode:
- "Shattered" into pieces of time. Afternoon training creates the illusion of infinity of time for schoolchildren - it seems to them that they will have time for everything, because there is a whole evening and time until noon for business and leisure. In reality, everything is not so - in the morning the children sleep for a long time, in the evening they get tired and have no desire to study or help their parents around the house.
- All afternoons are loaded "to the eyeballs", so students are forced to forget about friends, walks, evening entertainment. Giving up favorite pastimes is a huge stress for many children, and this is dangerous, because they can become depressed or just very sad.
- Physiologically, it is not very useful, especially for children, to drastically change the daily routine. The body of a schoolboy studying in the first shift has been accustomed for years to gladly go “to rest” and wake up early. Switching to a different daily routine can knock down the biorhythm setting.
But there is no need to despair and be upset, because it is most often pointless to fight this state of affairs. Practice shows that parents' protests are usually useless. The only way out is to transfer the baby to another educational institution. However, the stress of such a drastic measure is incomparable to the discomfort of the new regime, so the most sensible thing to do would be to adjust to it. And it’s easier to do this, given the pros and benefits that afternoon training provides:
- Children will finally be able to get enough sleep - in the morning there will be no need to get up early and go to school in the dark (in winter, for example).
- For most children, the brain is much more active in the first half of the day, so lessons prepared in the morning, with a fresh mind, will certainly be more effective.
- In the morning, kids who have not yet mastered the art of self-organization will have time to slowly get ready for school, carefully fold their backpack, get dressed, comb their hair, and wash. There will be no need to run headlong to the lessons.
The most important task of parents in such a situation is to make sure that their child receives to the maximum all the amenities that the second shift gives, and at the same time does not suffer from possible disadvantages. Both parents and children will have to smoothly reconfigure their life rhythm according to the new regime. Do not force the child to abruptly abandon his usual schedule, favorite activities and entertainment - the transition should be gentle. Walks in the daily schedule must be present, they can simply be reduced. An hour walk with friends or parents will be enough for a son or daughter to cheer up, “unload” their brains, breathe in oxygen and be able to start the lessons with renewed vigor. Entertainment is quite possible to do on the weekend.
As for the lessons, they should be treated as follows: in the evening you can do one or two of the most difficult tasks, oral assignments you can just learn a little. In the morning, the simplest lessons will remain, plus the information that was studied the night before will be stored in memory.
Perhaps such a slightly "emergency" mode will help both you and your favorite student to simply learn to be masters of their time. To make this happen, you just need to write a banal schedule! It does not necessarily have to describe the child's day by the minute, but it is simply necessary to indicate important things, actions and the approximate time for their implementation. Approach the issue of creating a daily schedule creatively: you can make it on a large sheet of drawing paper or colored cardboard, arrange it in the form of a comic book, geographical map, space map of the starry sky. Let his observance become fun game for a child! It will surely captivate and elementary school student and even a teenager. It is possible to attach stickers, beautiful stickers to cardboard, you can mark already done things with bright markers. The main thing is to do and invent everything together with your favorite student, fantasizing and having fun.
Here are the main priorities that all moms and dads simply must be guided by when scheduling a student who goes to study on the second shift:
- A complete, healthy and varied diet;
- Sleep lasting at least nine to ten hours a day. It is advisable to sleep in a separate room, previously ventilated, in darkness and silence;
- Moderate assistance during the preparation of homework;
- Mandatory daily walks outside, active games, energetic spending time in the yard (together with dad, for example).
Approximate timetable for a student who studies in the afternoon
An early rise is not at all necessary, the child may well wake up at 8:00. You should start the morning with a warm-up or exercise, this will help you wake up and cheer up. Activity should be followed by water treatments, light cleaning of the room and breakfast.
At about 9:00 in the morning, the student should already be sitting at the table and doing the homework assigned the day before. There are differences here: kids need to allocate an hour of time for this business, older children - two hours, high school students and even more - three hours.
From 10:00 (from 11:00 for the elders) to noon, the children have free time, they will be free to spend it as they want. It is permissible to watch TV, take a walk in the yard, read a book.
At 12:00 lunch should begin, then the children will go to school, and will be there until approximately 17:00 or until 18:00. After school, you can spend time with your parents, take a walk with them in the fresh air. At 20:00 dinner should take place, then the child should again be given some free time. The lights out must take place at 22:00, no later.
Remember - during the second shift, teachers and pediatricians strongly do not recommend doing all homework after school, in the evenings. The body of children is already overloaded, the brains are "boiling" from impressions and new information, so there will definitely be no use from such activities.
That's all, as you can see, there is nothing terrible and impossible in such a schedule. The main guarantee of success and a normal attitude of the child to change is the right psychological attitude. The task of parents is to teach the child self-organization and the basics of time management already in the first grades of school.
Naturally, the question immediately arises: is studying on the second shift good or bad? It is rather difficult to answer it unambiguously. After all, here you can find its absolute pluses and minuses.
"Pros" of training in the second shift
First, no more early rises! When lessons begin only after lunch, the need to get up early naturally disappears. On the one hand, this is an absolute plus. But on the condition that, according to your biological regime, you are an “owl”, that is, a person who cannot go to bed and get up early, and his peak of efficiency falls on the second half of the day. If you are a “lark”, then this “plus” automatically turns into a “minus” for you, since larks cannot go to bed late, but get up very early, with the first rays of the sun, so they do not need to sleep long in the morning. And they are also active in the morning, but in the afternoon they become lethargic and drowsy.
Secondly, before classes at school, there is still quite enough time to complete the lessons that have not been learned since the evening, to repeat some material, slowly getting ready.
"Cons" of second shift training
Now about the "cons" of the transition to the second shift. There are also several of them. First of all, this is a day divided into parts: it seems that there is still a lot of time before classes and after them, but in reality you don’t have time to do anything. This comes, of course, from the inability to adjust to a new mode of life and, as a consequence, the inability to properly manage your time. Of course, the schedule can help in such a situation. Yes, yes, just the most common schedule of household chores. It is not necessary to mark in detail all of your actions by the hour, you just need to make a list of what needs to be done in without fail. To make it more fun, you can draw a map or even a comic on this topic, stick bright paper stickers with inscriptions on it, make notes with a marker and come up with a lot of other funny things. The main thing is that this method really works well and can teach you how to manage your time, use it as efficiently as possible.
Another “minus” is the busy second half of the day. When switching to a second shift, schoolchildren, as a rule, have to forget about long evening walks, meetings with friends, going to the cinema and other entertainment. In fact, coming home after school at 7-8 pm, you can have time to have dinner and quickly sort out homework for tomorrow, well, hang on the Internet for an hour on your favorite site. It’s also difficult to get used to this right away, and for some students it’s generally stressful. Therefore, it is not worth abruptly abandoning the usual rest regimen. Walking should not be stopped, but reduced to half an hour or an hour a day, combining them with meetings with friends. Leisure activities are rescheduled for weekends and holidays. Homework in the evening can be skimmed over, making only the most difficult ones, in which the help of parents or older siblings may be needed, and the easier ones can be postponed until the morning. Stress, of course, is still inevitable, but its devastating effects can be minimized in this way.
Thus, second shift study- this is not a sentence, it's just a change of labor regime. And like any change in life, it cannot be painless. A person can and should adapt to any adverse conditions, in which he is helped by willpower and patience. And it is quite possible to reduce the "cons" of the second shift to a safe level, you just need to make a little effort.
Some parents are unhappy because their child will be six months old, but is it really that bad? Consider a number of disadvantages and advantages of training in the second shift.
Disadvantages of Second Shift Training
1. Excessively busy second half of the day and free first half. What is the risk? In the mornings, schoolchildren sleep for a long time, not having time to do a lot of things, but the second half of the day is overloaded, which leads to overwork.
2. Forced abandonment of extracurricular activities and hobbies. Due to the congestion of the afternoon, children stop walking with friends, communicate little with their peers. Of course, not all parents consider this a minus, but it is very important for the comprehensive development of the child.
3. Changing the biorhythms of the student's body. A sharp one is a serious stress, especially for a child's body. Students who are accustomed to getting an increased load in the morning, and spending the second half of the day more relaxed, can hardly endure the change of regime. The body can slow down, not immediately adapt to new conditions.
4. limited opportunity participate in extracurricular activities. Children who study on the second shift almost never extracurricular activities. And this is important for harmonious development schoolchild, expanding his horizons. Unfortunately, visiting museums, theaters, cinemas and other cultural events you have to transfer to the weekend or completely abandon such leisure.
5. The problem of meeting children from school. By the time students finish their second shift, it's usually dark outside. Not all families have the opportunity to meet children after classes.
6. The inability to control the child's pastime before school. In the morning, children often stay at home alone and go to school on their own. Unfortunately, this often means that the child may not eat, forget to close the apartment, leave electrical appliances on, etc.
We will have to reduce the time of walks after school. In order to children's body got enough fresh air, enough for 30 minutes.
Teach your child to correctly divide homework into "evening" and "morning". In the evening, it is recommended to do lessons that may require the help of adults. What the student can do on his own, it is better to transfer to the morning.
The authorities thought about the abolition of the second shift in schools
09.12.2014
Authorities Novosibirsk region explore ways to transition schools to single shift work.
On December 9, Governor Vladimir Gorodetsky noted that earlier the abolition of the second shift in schools was a wish, but now such a task has been set by Russian President Vladimir Putin. "If it will be comprehensive school working in one shift - well, of course, it’s more correct. But the second shift will be given more, the school with all classes, laboratories, gyms, for extracurricular work. Great!" the governor stressed.
The authorities are now considering different ways task execution. "I gave you an assignment. We examine what we need, how many schools, whether to expand, extensions or new constructions. These are the global tasks,” explained Vladimir Gorodetsky.
He noted that the program for the transition of schools to work in one shift will be supported by the federal authorities. According to him, the program will be much more complicated and will require more funding than the development of a network of kindergartens.
The governor also explained that before the end of the year, the authorities would approve a plan for the implementation of other tasks announced by the president in his message to the Federal Assembly on December 4. “This is an impulse,” he stressed.
NGS.NEWS
We ask you to cancel the second shift in Russian schools
Dudareva I.V.:
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President of Russia V.V. Putin The parent community appeals to you, Vladimir Vladimirovich, with a request to turn their Special attention on the problem of teaching children in the second shift in Russian schools. The fact is that parents, and most importantly the children themselves, are constantly in a state of continuous stress, studying in the second shift at school, or are in a permanent expectation of the prospect of learning in the second shift. In the Decree of the Chief State Sanitary Doctor Russian Federation dated December 29, 2010 N 189 Moscow "On the approval of SanPiN 2.4.2.2821-10" Sanitary and epidemiological requirements for the conditions and organization of training in educational institutions "in position 10.4. we find: "In institutions that work in two shifts, education of 1st, 5th, graduating 9th and 11th grades and classes of compensatory education should be organized in the first shift." In reality, it looks like this. First-graders study in the first shift, adapt, they have a routine, the first half of the day is fixed as the most productive part of the day in terms of learning. Further, on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th years of study, the school administration, at its discretion, can transfer the student to study from the first to the second shift. In the fifth grade, the child will once again be forced to adjust to a different mode of activity and learning. Etc. Psychologists say that the daily biorhythm of a person's mental activity is built in such a way that its first peak occurs at 8-12 o'clock in the morning, and the decline in the middle of the day is 12-16 o'clock. It is striking that in the same SanPiN 2.4.2.2821-10 "Sanitary and epidemiological requirements for the conditions and organization of education in educational institutions" in chapter X. Hygiene requirements to the regime educational process clause 10.7. we read: "The schedule of lessons is compiled taking into account the daily and weekly mental performance of students and the scale of the difficulty of educational subjects (Appendix 3 of these sanitary rules)". In Appendix 3 we read: "Hygienic recommendations for the lesson schedule. Modern scientific research found that the biorhythmic optimum of mental performance in children school age falls within the interval of 10-12 hours. During these hours, the greatest efficiency of assimilation of the material is noted at the lowest psychophysiological costs of the body. Therefore, in the schedule of lessons for students of the 1st stage of education, the main subjects should be taught at 2-3 lessons, and for students of the 2nd and 3rd stages of education - at the 2nd, 3rd, 4th lessons. In this regard, we, parents, have a question: why are our children, despite all the recommendations of specialists, forced to study in the second shift? For what reason do officials, instead of regularly monitoring the situation in schools regarding a sufficient number of schools, classrooms, teachers and much more and eliminating the causes of the appearance of classes studying on the second shift, force schoolchildren to adapt and study on the second shift? Why, where the educational system fails, the most defenseless - the children - turn out to be extreme? So, it turns out that a child studying on the second shift works mentally during the most unproductive hours of the day. It is terrible to imagine what consequences from the physical and mental health schoolchildren will be brought by such overloads, disruption of the work of the internal biological “clock”. How will such jumps in learning mode and in the daily routine in general affect the health and performance of our children? Will the future come in adult life, a person who systematically trained in the second shift, work effectively in the morning? Also, a very big problem for working parents is to ensure control over the preparation of homework by a child studying on the second shift. While the parents are at work, it is not clear who will be responsible for the observance of the daily routine (first half) by the children studying on the second shift. Not all parents are ready to fearlessly accept the fact that a child studying on the second shift will get to school on his own, and return home from school at night (this is especially true winter period). After all, the second shift ends at 17.00, 18.00, 19.00, and in some schools even at 20.00. While the children studying in the first shift are already at home for several hours at this time and, as a rule, managed to take a walk with their peers, go to hobby groups and sport sections, relax. Parents of schoolchildren studying on the second shift are very worried about the implementation of Article 31 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child. Namely: Article 31. 1. States Parties recognize the right of the child to rest and leisure, the right to participate in games and recreational activities appropriate to his age, and to participate freely in cultural life and make art. 2. States Parties shall respect and promote the right of the child to participate fully in cultural and creative life and contribute to the provision of appropriate and equal opportunities for cultural and creative activity, leisure and recreation. Difficulties with the implementation of the above rights of the child arise due to the fact that there are very few sections and circles that operate in the morning, and in some settlements sections and circles, working in the morning, do not exist in principle. As a result, a student studying in the second shift is deprived of the right to choose and does not have the opportunity to develop creatively in those areas for which he has inclinations and abilities. It should be especially noted that the real test for families with two or more schoolchildren is the education of children in different shifts. The presence of second shift education in Russian schools only testifies to the insufficient work of the relevant officials in the direction of overcoming such an exceptional measure as second shift education. We, children and parents, hope that in the 21st century our government has all the necessary mechanisms to create such conditions under which Russian schoolchildren will study only in the first shift. Vladimir Vladimirovich! We ask you to pay attention to the problem of teaching students in the second shift and cancel this form of education. http://democrator.ru/complain/... |
Many are familiar with the theory of biorhythms: owls, larks, pigeons, and so on, that is, the dependence on the daily rhythm of human activity.
We only note that children are most attached to the daily rhythm, to the sunrises and sunsets of a natural source of light. Since the Sun "rises" much later in winter, the beginning of the first shift should not be earlier than the sunrise in the given area + 1 hour, approximately (this hour includes the time of natural waking up of the body plus the time required to get to school according to the formula) .
So, on December 18 for the NSO the beginning of the first shift at 10.00 am. ( Sunrise: 08:49).
School graduation time, i.e. second shift, no later than 16.00 ( Sunset: 16:00)
Longitude of the day: 07 h. 11 min.
| the date | The sun | Dust | ||||||||
| Civil (dawn) | Navigational | Astronomical | ||||||||
| Sunrise | Sunset | Zenith | Daylight hours | Start | End | Start | End | Start | End | |
| 09.12.2014 | 08:41:26 | 16:01:49 | 12:21:38 | 07:20:21 | 07:56:36 | 16:46:39 | 07:09:26 | 17:33:49 | 06:25:16 | 18:17:59 |
| 10.12.2014 | 08:42:40 | 16:01:28 | 12:22:04 | 07:18:47 | 07:57:42 | 16:46:25 | 07:10:28 | 17:33:39 | 06:26:16 | 18:17:52 |
| 11.12.2014 | 08:43:50 | 16:01:11 | 12:22:30 | 07:17:20 | 07:58:46 | 16:46:15 | 07:11:28 | 17:33:33 | 06:27:13 | 18:17:48 |
| 12.12.2014 | 08:44:57 | 16:00:58 | 12:22:57 | 07:16:01 | 07:59:47 | 16:46:08 | 07:12:25 | 17:33:30 | 06:28:08 | 18:17:47 |
| 13.12.2014 | 08:46:00 | 16:00:49 | 12:23:25 | 07:14:48 | 08:00:46 | 16:46:04 | 07:13:20 | 17:33:30 | 06:29:00 | 18:17:49 |
| 14.12.2014 | 08:47:01 | 16:00:44 | 12:23:52 | 07:13:42 | 08:01:41 | 16:46:04 | 07:14:12 | 17:33:33 | 06:29:50 | 18:17:54 |
| 15.12.2014 | 08:47:57 | 16:00:43 | 12:24:20 | 07:12:44 | 08:02:33 | 16:46:07 | 07:15:01 | 17:33:39 | 06:30:38 | 18:18:02 |
| 16.12.2014 | 08:48:50 | 16:00:46 | 12:24:48 | 07:11:54 | 08:03:23 | 16:46:14 | 07:15:48 | 17:33:48 | 06:31:24 | 18:18:13 |
"Sanitary rules and norms SanPiN 2.4.2.576-96" Hygienic requirements for the conditions of education of schoolchildren in various types modern educational institutions"
(approved by the resolution of the State Committee for Sanitary and Epidemiological Supervision of the Russian Federation of October 31, 1996 N 49)
2.9.8. Classes in schools should begin no earlier than 8 a.m., without holding zero lessons.
In general educational institutions with in-depth content curricula Training is provided on the first shift only.
In general education institutions that work in several shifts, students in elementary school, fifth, graduation and compensatory classes must study in the first shift.
View full version:SOS! Studying in the 2nd shift / elementary school - who faced?
estee
17.05.2010, 12:08
80th school of the Petrogradsky district. Here is such a wonderful message they gave us on 13.05 at the meeting - all the second grades will study in the second shift. I have a bad idea how children of 8 years old, having gone wild in the first half of the day on the “extension”, will then study. And what about additional classes - after 6 pm (this is if you still manage to agree)? When are the lessons?
The question, in general, is this: has anyone come across such a surprise? How did you survive? And has anyone tried to apply, for example, to the Committee on Education, etc., and are there precedents for a positive solution to this issue (that is, when this same 2nd shift was avoided as a result)?
Time is running out, everyone will now go on vacation, there will be no one to gather, nothing to be done ... Here I am at a loss: to raise the issue or not, and if we raise it, then from which side to enter.
In general, "I'm stunned, dear edition" ... :(
snow
17.05.2010, 12:32
I once studied for three years in the second shift. At first it was not usual. and then even liked it. But my mother didn't work for us. Lessons were done in the morning. So even better. But we did not sit at school in the morning. we were already at work.
I don't think it's that terrible.
Cairi
17.05.2010, 12:32
I can only sympathize. I myself studied in the second shift in grades 2,3,4.
It actually seemed to me that now it seems to be forbidden according to SanPin. Maybe now knowledgeable people pull up.
Yeralashka
17.05.2010, 12:37
But aren't second shifts banned in St. Petersburg?
Zolotko77
17.05.2010, 12:44
My daughter this year, 2nd grade, also studied in the 2nd shift. She really liked that it was possible to sleep longer, she is my owl. All mugs and extras classes were in the morning, then at 12-30 to school and until 16-30 then the lessons were done after school, otherwise nothing, because in the morning there were mugs, etc. As far as I know, according to SanPin, only first-graders are not allowed to study in the 2nd shift. Of course, the extension does not fit into such a schedule. Another minus is that the child really does not have enough time to do their own business, because on the first shift she gets up at 07 o'clock, and when on the third shift, then at 09, and these two hours are sometimes very lacking.
estee
17.05.2010, 12:44
I'm wondering if this is allowed? at school, the adm-I says that according to the norms, it is the 2nd grades that CAN study on the second shift ... but where these norms can be viewed is unclear. one hope that knowledgeable people they will catch up, because we are clearly not the first to encounter this .... :)
Cairi
17.05.2010, 12:49
All mugs and extras classes were in the morning, then at 12-30 to school and until 16-30 then the lessons were done after school, QUOTE]\
I actually have little idea of mugs in the morning hours - I just haven’t heard about such ones.
Raven_Hedgehog
17.05.2010, 12:52
Otchkgo? Musical, for example, works in two shifts. Many sports sections - from 18 or from 19 o'clock, our lessons end at 16-45, we are quite on time. There is also an extension in the morning, if the mother works, then the child is at school from 8-00 to 17-00 approximately, what's the difference, lessons first or extension?
Zolotko77
17.05.2010, 12:57
We have a musician in the morning, she works in two shifts, there is still English, there are also two groups - morning and evening, though we still went to the evening, the daughter just had time to get to English from school, he is from 17-15, and the lessons ends at 16-30, well, tennis in the morning, there are also groups of different times. I don't know about the other circles.
T_M
17.05.2010, 12:58
Excuse my curiosity, but why the 2nd shift? There are not enough offices, so the extension also needs an office, and one where everyone can sit down.
estee
17.05.2010, 13:08
Yes, the problem seems to be with cabinets. Apparently, they will combine all 2nd classes into one extended group ...
and then the class can be made floating, i.e. which office is free that day - we sit there. Well, probably the calculation is that many either have the opportunity to bring the child to school in the middle of the day (who does not work or have grandparents), or do not want the child to sit at school full time (i.e. from 9 to 16, this, as you and I know, and not every adult can stand it, what can we say about second graders ...), and come up with something like nannies for 2-3-4 children and so on ..
really no one tried to raise this issue at the level of the city administration, it can’t be like that, all the same, such active mothers!!!....
Mama Sweet Raspberry
17.05.2010, 13:25
estee
17.05.2010, 13:56
I found it here on the Internet:
Sanitary rules and norms SanPiN 2.4.2.576-96 "Hygienic requirements for the conditions of education of schoolchildren in various types of modern educational institutions"
(approved by the resolution of the State Committee for Sanitary and Epidemiological Supervision of the Russian Federation of October 31, 1996 N 49)
2.9.8. Classes in schools should begin no earlier than 8 a.m., without holding zero lessons.
In general educational institutions with in-depth content of curricula, training is carried out only in the first shift.
In general education institutions that work in several shifts, students in elementary school, fifth, graduation and compensatory education classes must study in the first shift.
those. this turns out to be a violation on two counts: firstly, a school with in-depth study of English, and secondly, this elementary School.
picture
17.05.2010, 14:02
a colleague’s daughter is studying in the second grade in the 2nd shift .. at first it didn’t triple her colleague, she wanted to transfer the child, but the child did not agree .. then they got involved ... there is an extension in the morning .. I know that the girl also goes in for swimming and additionally English..
I was in 2nd grade too, so there was nothing to worry about.
but, to be honest, I don’t quite understand how the second shift of a second grader can be combined with work (a colleague’s grandmother is in the next entrance)
amir
17.05.2010, 20:51
You and I are in the same school - it’s true that my son is moving at 3 - our classes are transferred from 75 schools where they studied for 2 years (75 are closed for repairs) - at 75 we repaired excellent classes - now they are transferring we don’t know yet which rooms and apparently in connection with this - 2 classes will be on the second shift. A friend has a son in your parallel - she is also in shock! Don't know where to go!!!
Nadia
17.05.2010, 21:06
I also studied in the 2nd grade in the second shift .. and nothing survived ...
I think since you and after you there was a surge in the birth rate, then it will only get worse. At our school, for example, there is a separate junior building and it will not physically fit more than 3 classes in parallel, so hold on and try to somehow get along with this schedule. And there are mugs in the morning and in DTYu of all sorts of identity.
Raven_Hedgehog
17.05.2010, 21:50
She studied for 2 years in the second shift. Disgusting. I am an owl. As a result: I’ll wake up by 11, go to school by 13, go there until 17, go home for lunch, then you don’t know whether to do homework while there is a desire, or take a walk for a couple of hours while the weather is normal. In general, neither the mind nor the heart.
Did you ever wake up before 11 on your first shift? ;)
The problem of the 2nd shift is more acute just for larks, kmk. In the morning, performance is higher, by lunchtime - a decline. And it is at this time that you need to learn new material at school ...
In general, I don't see a big problem. The number of hours spent at school remains unchanged. You just need to try to organize the day in such a way that there is enough time for everything.
Yeralashka
17.05.2010, 22:03
may since 1996 have been made k-l changes?... somebody knows?
Yeah. Knows. These rules are outdated, now there are changes. Second shift is prohibited.
estee
17.05.2010, 23:43
according to rumors, someone from the parallel classes has already figured it out, it seems that they even hired a lawyer ... I don’t know how it will end, but I really hope that there will be parents in our school who have the opportunity to press the necessary pedals so that the poor sophomores find four unfortunate rooms , at least on the basis of another school. after all, it is certainly possible to do this at the level of the RONO or the education committee. otherwise, I stop believing in our law forever - sanpins are forbidden, but schools are doing it, and the regulatory authorities are silent and do not help solve the problem, and our people, as always, are silent ... :(
estee
17.05.2010, 23:44
estee
17.05.2010, 23:50
there may be morning mugs, but what about those parents who work? they cannot take their children to clubs in the morning, and they themselves cannot go there either. it turns out that for these children there is only one way out - by 9 to go to school for an after-school and a big problem with evening classes and lessons ... that's for sure - neither mind nor heart.
Chouette
18.05.2010, 11:35
I studied in the second grade in the second shift for 1 month, in May. The teacher lay down to save, and gave a new only since September. So we were taught by the teacher of the parallel class, and in the morning of her own. It must have been hard for her. We had quite a lot of fun, because in the morning we could walk, since it was a warm spring in the yard :) For some reason, I managed to go to the music room in the evening, too, it’s sacred :) So it’s quite possible that for children it won’t be such a nightmare . Although it is extremely inconvenient for parents! Hope and fight!
Stranger
18.05.2010, 12:33
yes, I found the current sannorm from 2008, and it is also clearly stated there - the elementary school cannot study in the second shift. under no circumstances.
Give me a link, please, otherwise I found only SanPiN 2.4.2.1178-02, which was put into effect on 09/01/2003 instead of the one released in 1996. It is written there:
2.9.8. Classes should start no earlier than 8 hours, without zero lessons.
In general educational institutions with in-depth study of individual subjects, lyceums and gymnasiums, training is carried out only in the first shift.
In general educational institutions working in several shifts, education of 1st, 5th, graduation and compensatory classes should be organized in the first shift.
olly_sun
18.05.2010, 13:51
I'm with you!!
I have just one son moving to the second grade, and the second shift "shines" for him, and the eldest son goes to the third grade of the 80s (from building 75th).
I was so happy :support: that they would study in the same building!! Turns out I was too happy...
for me, this is a quiet horror: my second-grader is a lark, which means that by the beginning of classes at 11 or 12 o’clock he will already be 5-6 hours on his feet, not actively doing anything fruitful!
about homework that you can do in the morning, I won’t even talk seriously: 009:.
classes in the morning are possible if there is time for them, and when the beginning starts at 2 o'clock.
and what can you do: 008: to be at school at 11?? nothing is simple! and it turns out that bring one to school, come back for the next one, after 2 hours pick up the first one, hand it home, come back for the second ... and even the third son will be born in September. work out.
The schedule of classes after school for children is already busy. that means leaving school at 4 pm on dry rations, and even running the theater, training ... I don’t think that mine will be school soup ... which means I’m always on snacks.
and it's dark all the time:010:...and at night you have to sit down for lessons...:015:
and where will they find so many classrooms at school for the head (from 9 am to 11 am) ??? I know that many parents will send their children to school during this time.
Lisizza
18.05.2010, 15:31
God, what darkness: 001:! I myself studied in two shifts at the institute (a year after a year), even for me it was, to put it mildly, uncomfortable - the whole day was broken, you don’t know when to do homework and when to rest, and here the children are still small, although who knows maybe it's not as scary for them as it is for adults.
olly_sun
18.05.2010, 15:48
that's what I'm talking about too!!
I understand that at the institute a person already consciously builds his day, he has incentives and motivation ...
what could be the motivation for a second-grader in a lesson at 15-00?!
rhetorical question...
Fortune
18.05.2010, 15:58
what could be the motivation for a second-grader in a lesson at 15-00?!
rhetorical question...
Schedule motivation? Interesting thought:013:
olly_sun
18.05.2010, 16:14
:016: Maybe the same as at 9-00?
Schedule motivation? Interesting thought:013:
something I doubt...
many mothers say "hooray! we will sleep longer!"
Fortune
18.05.2010, 16:21
interesting: at 10 pm and at 3 am are you ready to work regularly with the same intensity as in the morning?: 046:
something I doubt...
it’s just that when everything is turned upside down in time, then the child needs to be somehow additionally captivated, forced, motivated ...
by this time, the child has already been on his feet for so many hours that it is even ridiculous to talk about concentrating attention on such a routine as schoolwork.
although yours may be different.
many mothers say "hooray! we will sleep longer!"
I studied at the beginning of the second shift, and I was very sorry that it was then canceled with us.
FORUM
18.05.2010, 16:30
She studied in the second shift in the 2nd grade. I still remember this bullshit. Why and who needs it? Slept for a long time. Didn't have time to do the lessons. Broke the whole regime. Then it was too early not to wake up. Getting up early is still a problem. NIGHTMARE!!!
Olly_sun
18.05.2010, 16:52
Does your second grader sleep at three in the afternoon? Then, of course, it is difficult.
Do you do homework without concentration? Or were you not asked in the first one yet?
And I don't think that the child is "on his feet too long to be incapable of any mental activity."
I studied at the beginning of the second shift, and I was very sorry that it was then canceled with us.
welcome to the club!
The unanimous opinion of doctors that the peak of remembering and understanding information occurs from 10 to 12 in the morning in children is an empty phrase for you!
Raven_Hedgehog
18.05.2010, 17:31
I'm sorry I doubt it!!
Of course, the 2nd shift is not very convenient, but to make a tragedy out of this? ..: 001:
I repeat once again, nothing changes for working mothers, the child will remain the same as he was at school from 8-00 to 16-30. Non-working, probably easier. Those who have a "free schedule" need to shift this schedule a little. For example, a year ago I appeared in the office from 9-00 to 12-00, this year - from 13-00 to 16-00. There are mugs-musician-sports in the morning.
The schedule of my children (school, music, swimming pool, kudo, drawing) is, in principle, difficult to concoct, so that everyone would be satisfied, regardless of the shift. But this is my personal grief...
olly_sun
18.05.2010, 17:46
And you just put yourself in the place of a mother whose child is studying on the second shift!!
Let's say - you are announced ___FROM next year, study in the second shift !!!
And you will be satisfied??? And you will be able to build your schedule so that all circles-sections + lessons would converge??
I'm sorry I doubt it!!
yeah!! especially if another child is on the first shift!!
besides, "he who gets up early, God gives him!"
and it's so difficult to make a puzzle of all the activities that are after school!
children go to super-teachers who dictate the time themselves!
or should I now ask the whole group in the pool to move an hour so that we also have time ?! nonsense! Fortune
18.05.2010, 18:10
my second grader gets up around seven in the morning and at 9 pm falls asleep like a wreck!
your clumsy causticity deceived you: at three o'clock your son has a musician, and after that training or theater.
sometimes we do homework at 7 pm, I can see that he is already very tired.
and it shines for me and after 9 more homework to do.
I'm saying, someone gets high late to bed and late to rise.
welcome to the club!
some believe that SUN Ping norms that children should study in the morning are considered nonsense, for many, study is generally not in the first place.
The unanimous opinion of doctors that the peak of remembering and understanding information occurs from 10 to 12 in the morning in children is an empty phrase for you!
when our generation went to school, there was a completely different pace of life, and a load after school, although if you had a good second shift ... we still won’t understand each other.
p.s. norms of the Russian language, where, in order to emphasize a respectful attitude towards the interlocutor, the word "you" must be written with capital letter, I know.;)
Bitingness? Yes, not in one eye :) (and interestingly, there is causticity, telling the truth? well, you already told me about what happens deceiving: 065 :)
But it’s really interesting to me - is your child doing music without concentration at three o’clock? And no motivation? :) - Well, you wrote that in the second grade it is generally something unthinkable. :073:
Sanpin has already been quoted - there is a clearly marked ban on the second shift in the 1st and final grades. There are no obligations for the morning training of other classes.
And about the unanimity of doctors - no need to invent. It is necessary to study when it is convenient for the child. The biological clock varies from person to person. And doctors know this too. :)
My child for a year in the beginning at home schooling studied well during the day (attending school). While studying at a music school and attending a sports section: 004:. So, it is not necessary for everyone to set only your son as an example. Other children may be different. And they can do very well.
Choice: talk with the school administration, with the RONO, there is an option to go to another school this year (but we have a very good teacher!!), it is possible for a year for family education.
I went to school where children study in the morning. I had a choice - any school, I made a choice, and now my family (and not only mine) must adapt ...
In other words, I'm still thinking...
estee
18.05.2010, 21:20
about 2008, I seem to get excited. this change was dated 2008, and the SanPin is valid from 2002.
but today on the website of Rospotrebnadzor I found a draft of a new sanpin, which will come into force on August 1, 2010. There is also a paragraph that says:
10.4. Classes should start no earlier than 8:00. Zero lessons are not allowed.
In institutions with in-depth study of individual subjects, lyceums and gymnasiums, training is carried out only in the first shift.
In institutions that work in two shifts, education of 1st, 5th, graduating 10-11th grades and compensatory education classes should be organized in the first shift.
Education in 3 shifts in general educational institutions is not allowed.
Those. again - in a school with in-depth study English language 2nd shift not allowed, so it turns out...
who is interested - here is a link to the document http://www.rospotrebnadzor.ru/...
there we enter the type of doc - sanitary regulations, keywords - Sanitary and epidemiological requirements for the conditions of education in educational institutions. And the same draft resolution on their entry into force will fall out.
estee
18.05.2010, 21:30
yes, I started the topic. and according to my impressions, about 70% of the parents in our class were not enthusiastic, it’s just that the people in the bulk are inert, and prefer to wait for the weather by the sea.
As for the reasons for the topic - I just wanted to find out if such a decision is legal in relation to the 2nd grades of the English school, and asked for help from those who have encountered such a situation and know the current norms. in addition, I wanted to hear "whether there were cases of miraculous healing", i.e. whether it was possible parents to other schools, together with the administration of the school, or with the RONO, or with the Committee for Education, or with VIM, in the end, solve the problem by, for example, the unexpected appearance of a friendly hand from other schools, ready to shelter 25 second-graders from a neighboring school for a year ... well, I'm such a dreamer, what can you take from me.
if there is no other solution and will not be, then well ..... we will go to the second shift. We don't want to change the school - we have an excellent teacher, an excellent children's team, and so on. People will make some noise, make some noise and everything will be shaved in the end. so maybe everything will work out.
olly_sun
19.05.2010, 16:16
yes, this building is promised. The building itself is very good, a school with wide corridors and spacious classrooms.
so the kids should have a good time there!!
what are we?? we'll tune in!!